pacman's increase in power (no flamers in here please)...

[hammerhiem]

Pacquiao was unable to hurt Oscar Larios (a 122er) at 130. One fight afrer Izzy knocked Larios unconscious in a single round.

Obviously u never saw that fight, He had larios badly hurt, not to mention down twice twice in teh fight. The same number of times he had Cotto down in that fight as it happens.

[The Hate Giver]

the concept is not difficult to understand. instead of coming into this thread with a defensive attitude, why not just post the examples of the fighters that you are talking about. for the last time, I AM NOT ACCUSING PACMAN OF ANYTHING... let's keep this nice and friendly please lol

jimmy mclarnin started at 112, ended up destroying fighters at 147.

roberto duran started at 118, ko/tko'd boxers from 126,130,135,147,154,160, & as high as 168.

billy conn started at what 135, ko/tko'd boxers at 147,160,175, all the way up to heavyweight. went 8 rounds with joe louis.

ray robinson started at 126 & 135 as a golden glover, ended up being the greatest welterweight & middleweight of all time. would have won at 175 if not for the heat.

hector macho camacho started at 130. tko/kos at 135,140,147,154, all the way up to 160.

georges carpentier started at 112, tko/kos all the way up to heavyweight.

He fought in the 20s.


I can keep on going. the list is endless.

Pac's power surge is not really a increase but a short ****e statistically based on his opponents. david diaz was kod. hatton ran into a perfect shot, cotto lasted 12 rnds until the tko & clottte went 12. oscar quit on the stool.

The *****s want to tear down pacquiao's wins because the opponents were crap yet when they want to play the steroid card they act as if pac was chopping down george chuvalo or something.

double standards & hypocrisy.

plus his speed has decreased. pac was so much faster as a featherweight than a welterweight.

[dcull111]

jimmy mclarnin started at 112, ended up destroying fighters at 147.

roberto duran started at 118, ko/tko'd boxers from 126,130,135,147,154,160, & as high as 168.

billy conn started at what 135, ko/tko'd boxers at 147,160,175, all the way up to heavyweight. went 8 rounds with joe louis.

ray robinson started at 126 & 135 as a golden glover, ended up being the greatest welterweight & middleweight of all time. would have won at 175 if not for the heat.

hector macho camacho started at 130. tko/kos at 135,140,147,154, all the way up to 160.

georges carpentier started at 112, tko/kos all the way up to heavyweight.

He fought in the 20s.


I can keep on going. the list is endless.

Pac's power surge is not really a increase but a short ****e statistically based on his opponents. david diaz was kod. hatton ran into a perfect shot, cotto lasted 12 rnds until the tko & clottte went 12. oscar quit on the stool.

The *****s want to tear down pacquiao's wins because the opponents were crap yet when they want to play the steroid card they act as if pac was chopping down george chuvalo or something.

double standards & hypocrisy.

plus his speed has decreased. pac was so much faster as a featherweight than a welterweight.

you've totally misinterpreted the whole point of the thread. your list has nothing to do with KO RATIO. of course boxers are gonna move up in weight and still stop people. but do they actually have a higher ko ratio like pacman has? why all the ***** talk? it's so childish. if what this article i was reading has it right, then this is a huge compliment to pacman because he has done something no-one else has before. you pacman fans are impossible though (not that floyd's fans arent equally impossible on this forum!). why are you so defensive? if pacman's ko ratio has increased, it doesnt mean he's on steroids, as many people have illustrated in this thread. why are u going on about *****s? this is potentially a great achievement by pacman but you're taking as an insult to him...

[Pacquiao'd]

your initial thoughts were right, if it seems to good to be true, it usually is...dude is juicing

[MurderDeathKill]

Pac's power hasn't increased at all. He's at higher weights fighting slower guys who can't see his punches coming.

[shadeyfizzle]

Obviously u never saw that fight, He had larios badly hurt, not to mention down twice twice in teh fight. The same number of times he had Cotto down in that fight as it happens.

not only that it was well documented that pacquiao did not train at all for that fight and when into fight night looking drowsy from partying too much.

[hammerhiem]

you've totally misinterpreted the whole point of the thread. your list has nothing to do with KO RATIO. of course boxers are gonna move up in weight and still stop people. but do they actually have a higher ko ratio like pacman has? why all the ***** talk? it's so childish. if what this article i was reading has it right, then this is a huge compliment to pacman because he has done something no-one else has before. you pacman fans are impossible though (not that floyd's fans arent equally impossible on this forum!). why are you so defensive? if pacman's ko ratio has increased, it doesnt mean he's on steroids, as many people have illustrated in this thread. why are u going on about *****s? this is potentially a great achievement by pacman but you're taking as an insult to him...

He doesn't have a higher KO rate.

his KO rate at 135+ is only 60%.

5 fights 3 KO's.

[dcull111]

He doesn't have a higher KO rate.

his KO rate at 135+ is only 60%.

5 fights 3 KO's.

that was the whole basis of the srticle i was reading lol. i'll try and remember where the artcile was and post it. the general point of it was that the reason for all this controvery was pacman moving through the weights and ko'ing more people as he moved up. if it's not true then fair enough i guess lol

[dcull111]

Pac's power hasn't increased at all. He's at higher weights fighting slower guys who can't see his punches coming.

then by that logic, surely every quick fighter who moves up in weight will be successful, which certainly isnt the case...

[fightfan_79]

i am not accusing pacman of anything here, i swear! but i was reading something in a newspaper the other day and one part of the whole argument that pacman uses steroids seems to be this issue of him moving up in weight and his ko rate rising rather than falling. to me, this done sound somewhat strange. my question is this; how many fighters have gone up in weight and actually raised their ko rate like pacman has? can anyone name them? im 24 years old, and before the rise of really fast internet i was primarily a fan of british boxing, my point being that my knowledge of american boxing is not as entensive as my knowledge of british boxing. i cant think of any british boxers of note who have gone through the divisions and actually gained power. maybe there are some american based fighters that have?

once again, can i please point out that im not saying pacman is taking steroids. its just that all this talk about his increase in power as he has gone through the divisions made me wonder if other fighters have done the same in the past... please do not call me a *****

Pac was a "1 dimensional fighter" before.....and only recently, since Diaz fight, has started to use his right hand EFFECTIVELY. He doesn't have to drain himself to make weight anymore, and since you don't drain youself, you keep all that energy and strength, combine that with a southpaw stance, punches coming from weird angles, speed that WWs aren't use to dealing with and power in both hands, you now have a "Prime Pacquiao". Having Roach in his corner is gravy too.

If you think about it...he really has only KOd 2 fighters in the last couple years....Diaz and Hatton. All the other TKOs have come by ref stoppage....volume punching and accuracy.

You don't need to have Heavyweight Power to break a rock.....but if you hit it enough times, the rock will break.

P.S - Manny should just take the dam tests.....