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  • B.U.R.N.E.R
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    #41
    Originally posted by Siggy
    he's strong, but his opponents make him look stronger if they try to wrestle with him which is exactly what quintana tried to do with all his holding and hitting
    collazo kept his hands free and busted up berto with body shots. the key is to keep your hands free, do work and spin out.
    berto aint that big and he doesnt even fight on the inside.

    and yes mike jones beats him. his defense is much tighter, he's more sound technically, has the longer reach, better jab, hits harder and is the more versatile fighter. i'd see left uppercuts in bertos future if he ever stepped in the ring with jones.
    it'd be like forrest vs sugar shane all over again.
    Berto is so strong that you if you dont attempt to wrestle you'll just be man handled. You could argue that hes the strongest WW right now. I cant see guys moving up beating him yet. Atleast until Alexander, Bradley and Ortiz actually beat someone as fast and as good as Berto is. No one they beat is on Bertos level no matter how bad you think Berto is. Then you throw in the new weight class vs. arguably thee strongest WW that could be a disaster.

    On Mike Jones. One day when hes a finished product he could beat some guys but so far his best win is Henry Brusselles a shot fighter who won the first two rounds vs. Jones. Maybe down the road but if he was scheduled to fight Berto on the Pavlik card rather then whoever hes fighting Berto would manhandle him. Hes not experienced enough to deal with that kind of explosive speed, power and strength.

    Berto gets crap because of how he looks vs. Slick lefties. He shoukd get props fighting guys with tough styles. Just like Paul Williams. Neither one of them shy away from slick lefthanders who throughout history can give anyone trouble.

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    • Siggy
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      #42
      Originally posted by No Ceilings
      The PED saga, fighting the same type of style and his fans.

      Berto looks like crap according to people on here when they dont realize he fought 2 slick southpaws in a row. A guy should get props for that not **** on.
      lol at you referring to urango as slick.

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        #43
        Originally posted by No Ceilings
        Berto is so strong that you if you dont attempt to wrestle you'll just be man handled. You could argue that hes the strongest WW right now. I cant see guys moving up beating him yet. Atleast until Alexander, Bradley and Ortiz actually beat someone as fast and as good as Berto is. No one they beat is on Bertos level no matter how bad you think Berto is. Then you throw in the new weight class vs. arguably thee strongest WW that could be a disaster.

        On Mike Jones. One day when hes a finished product he could beat some guys but so far his best win is Henry Brusselles a shot fighter who won the first two rounds vs. Jones. Maybe down the road but if he was scheduled to fight Berto on the Pavlik card rather then whoever hes fighting Berto would manhandle him. Hes not experienced enough to deal with that kind of explosive speed, power and strength.

        Berto gets crap because of how he looks vs. Slick lefties. He shoukd get props fighting guys with tough styles. Just like Paul Williams. Neither one of them shy away from slick lefthanders who throughout history can give anyone trouble.
        dude marcos maidana would beat this guy..........

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          #44

          this aint helping any

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            #45
            Originally posted by Siggy
            lol at you referring to urango as slick.
            you know I meant Q and Collazo. My scheduling was off.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Crazylegs77

              this aint helping any
              That pic is hilarious...........

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              • Siggy
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                #47
                Originally posted by No Ceilings
                Berto is so strong that you if you dont attempt to wrestle you'll just be man handled. You could argue that hes the strongest WW right now. I cant see guys moving up beating him yet. Atleast until Alexander, Bradley and Ortiz actually beat someone as fast and as good as Berto is. No one they beat is on Bertos level no matter how bad you think Berto is. Then you throw in the new weight class vs. arguably thee strongest WW that could be a disaster.

                On Mike Jones. One day when hes a finished product he could beat some guys but so far his best win is Henry Brusselles a shot fighter who won the first two rounds vs. Jones. Maybe down the road but if he was scheduled to fight Berto on the Pavlik card rather then whoever hes fighting Berto would manhandle him. Hes not experienced enough to deal with that kind of explosive speed, power and strength.

                Berto gets crap because of how he looks vs. Slick lefties. He shoukd get props fighting guys with tough styles. Just like Paul Williams. Neither one of them shy away from slick lefthanders who throughout history can give anyone trouble.
                untrue. you dont HAVE to wrestle with berto. collazo didnt wrestle with him all the time. when he kept his hands free and ****** to the body berto got hurt and didnt know what to do other than try to hold more.
                like atlas says, you need cooperation to consistently hold your opponent. berto doesnt have the footwork to keep up if turned, plus his balance is horrible. you turn out of his clinch, he's extremely vulnerable.

                also, bruseles aint shot. why you always quick to call someone shot if theyre defeated? he's just not on jones' level.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Siggy
                  untrue. you dont HAVE to wrestle with berto. collazo didnt wrestle with him all the time. when he kept his hands free and ****** to the body berto got hurt and didnt know what to do other than try to hold more.
                  like atlas says, you need cooperation to consistently hold your opponent. berto doesnt have the footwork to keep up if turned, plus his balance is horrible. you turn out of his clinch, he's extremely vulnerable.

                  also, bruseles aint shot. why you always quick to call someone shot if theyre defeated? he's just not on jones' level.
                  Bruseles looked shot to me. Hes also only fighting once a year and hes under 30. If he aint shot hes damn sure a bum. And he banked in rounds vs. Jones.

                  Again with Collazo hes a slick southpaw. Thats why it worked. Who did I call shot just because they lost? Cotto?

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by No Ceilings
                    Bruseles looked shot to me. Hes also only fighting once a year and hes under 30. If he aint shot hes damn sure a bum. And he banked in rounds vs. Jones.

                    Again with Collazo hes a slick southpaw. Thats why it worked. Who did I call shot just because they lost? Cotto?
                    you dont have to be slick to work yourself out of a clinch.

                    and yes, thats one of em. you must have a loose definition of "shot".

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by No Ceilings
                      Bruseles looked shot to me. Hes also only fighting once a year and hes under 30. If he aint shot hes damn sure a bum. And he banked in rounds vs. Jones.

                      Again with Collazo hes a slick southpaw. Thats why it worked. Who did I call shot just because they lost? Cotto?
                      zab would beat berto.........

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