Someon Explain To Me Why Berto Is Hated?

[Siggy]

Clottey's the only one with a chance. Jones is a Joke who has beat anyone. He'd be stopped, and if they ever fought, I'd be glad to bet you. Made a thread asking for peeps to show how Collazo was robbed, but it was ducked. But please, do tell how Berto would do against the top of the 140 divison. Presumeably Bradley and Alex. Alex weighted 147 fight night vs Urango. Berto weighted 153. Some fair fight. How do you see it playing out. The Urango fight was getting worse for Alex until the K.O. The Q fight was getting better for Berto until the stoppage. I think Berto would go seek and destroy on Alex, and stop him late. What do you think?

you obviously havent seen enough mike jones fights. he's one of the most well-rounded welterweights right now. he's more skilled than berto in just about every single department.
berto would not stop him and i dont think haymon would put him in the ring with jones anyways.

i'd favor bradley, alexander and even ortiz over berto.
bradley and alexander's footwork is too good. bradley would be too elusive for berto since berto's footwork is absolute crap.

alexander fights in such sharp angles that berto would be reduced to swinging and grabbing at air while eating southpaw jabs all night.
now berto could at times impose his physicality on them, but my money would be on his lack of tact, ring knowledge (distance in particular), footwork, upper-body movement and an ability to set up shots all being exploited en route to a fairly easy UD. both of them box circles around him and make him look foolish.

ortiz turns him in the same fashion then knocks him out. the gap in boxing skill b/t those 3 and berto would be too wide to overcome. now you can say that quintana was supposedly the more skilled fighter in their fight and you'd be correct, but all three of those JWW are much more athletic than quintana.
skill + tact + athleticism + footwork = berto loses

[Spray_resistant]

you obviously havent seen enough mike jones fights. he's one of the most well-rounded welterweights right now. he's more skilled than berto in just about every single department.
berto would not stop him and i dont think haymon would put him in the ring with jones anyways.

i'd favor bradley, alexander and even ortiz over berto.
bradley and alexander's footwork is too good. bradley would be too elusive for berto since berto's footwork is absolute crap.

alexander fights in such sharp angles that berto would be reduced to swinging and grabbing at air while eating southpaw jabs all night.
now berto could at times impose his physicality on them, but my money would be on his lack of tact, ring knowledge (distance in particular), footwork, upper-body movement and an ability to set up shots all being exploited en route to a fairly easy UD. both of them box circles around him and make him look foolish.

ortiz turns him in the same fashion then knocks him out. the gap in boxing skill b/t those 3 and berto would be too wide to overcome. now you can say that quintana was supposedly the more skilled fighter in their fight and you'd be correct, but all three of those JWW are much more athletic than quintana.
skill + tact + athleticism + footwork = berto loses

Some good points about skilled tacticians like Jones, Alexander, and Bradley.

Don't know about Ortiz and how he would handle the explosive combos though, he might just fold up if he gets hurt again.

green sent in any case.

[Siggy]

Some good points about skilled tacticians like Jones, Alexander, and Bradley.

Don't know about Ortiz and how he would handle the explosive combos though, he might just fold up if he gets hurt again.

green sent in any case.

i understand that people will always question ortiz' heart and label him a quitter until he proves otherwise, so i wont argue that.

i just think he learned his lesson early and is making a more concerted effort to keep his style tight and become a power boxer.
vs berto, ortiz would be the bigger puncher and he's the sharper, more accurate puncher, who knows how to set up his shots (berto doesnt).
he also keeps his hands free, is a good body puncher (collazo beat up berto's body on the inside) and is the much better inside fighter.

i believe that victor's machismo days are over and he now knows what hes gotta do to avoid putting himself in a situation like he was in against maidana.
if the rumors about berto's chin are true, ortiz could make quick work of him.

[Gutz]

I think Berto is a cool guys..


I thought he lost vs Collazo.. I think he might win the rematch if it ever happens..

I dont think he a top 3 WW..

Maybe in the same league with Clottey, Cotto..



I really want to see a Cotto vs Berto fight..

[Spray_resistant]

i understand that people will always question ortiz' heart and label him a quitter until he proves otherwise, so i wont argue that.

i just think he learned his lesson early and is making a more concerted effort to keep his style tight and become a power boxer.
vs berto, ortiz would be the bigger puncher and he's the sharper, more accurate puncher, who knows how to set up his shots (berto doesnt).
he also keeps his hands free, is a good body puncher (collazo beat up berto's body on the inside) and is the much better inside fighter.

i believe that victor's machismo days are over and he now knows what hes gotta do to avoid putting himself in a situation like he was in against maidana.
if the rumors about berto's chin are true, ortiz could make quick work of him.

You know if Ortiz has gotten to a place where he is mentally stronger he would win like you are saying because he can be a sharpshooter with power and is actually bigger than Berto in addition to better in all areas other than just pure hand speed.

Ortiz FN weights are at 154 for 140 fights and for 147 fights Berto comes in at 153.

I imagine he wouldn't be taking off so much weight and would come in even heavier for a WW fight, he does look alot bigger than the other jwws to me.

Did you watch the Arnaoutis fight? he looked a full weight class bigger than him.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

you obviously havent seen enough mike jones fights. he's one of the most well-rounded welterweights right now. he's more skilled than berto in just about every single department.
berto would not stop him and i dont think haymon would put him in the ring with jones anyways.

i'd favor bradley, alexander and even ortiz over berto.
bradley and alexander's footwork is too good. bradley would be too elusive for berto since berto's footwork is absolute crap.

alexander fights in such sharp angles that berto would be reduced to swinging and grabbing at air while eating southpaw jabs all night.
now berto could at times impose his physicality on them, but my money would be on his lack of tact, ring knowledge (distance in particular), footwork, upper-body movement and an ability to set up shots all being exploited en route to a fairly easy UD. both of them box circles around him and make him look foolish.

ortiz turns him in the same fashion then knocks him out. the gap in boxing skill b/t those 3 and berto would be too wide to overcome. now you can say that quintana was supposedly the more skilled fighter in their fight and you'd be correct, but all three of those JWW are much more athletic than quintana.
skill + tact + athleticism + footwork = berto loses

Did you not see how strong Berto was. He was like a Lion who wouldnt get off his prey. He bullied Quintana a former 154 Pounder and then you say you would Ortiz, Bradley and Alexander to beat him at WW? Talk about over the top.


Then Mike Jones beats him? hahahaha No man just no.

[-The Glove-]

I don't get it. He doesn't brag. He seems to be a helpful citizen. Doesn't make excuses. Showed some heart with the hurt bicep, and still getting the ko. 26-0 with 20kos.

When he doesn't hold, his style is actually really explosive, and exciting. Maybe reckless, but exciting nonetheless.

Maybe he's not on the top 3's level, but no one is really saying he is. So why are people hating on him?

I ask the same of Pacquiao all the time.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I ask the same of Pacquiao all the time.

The PED saga, fighting the same type of style and his fans.

Berto looks like crap according to people on here when they dont realize he fought 2 slick southpaws in a row. A guy should get props for that not **** on.

[Siggy]

Did you not see how strong Berto was. He was like a Lion who wouldnt get off his prey. He bullied Quintana a former 154 Pounder and then you say you would Ortiz, Bradley and Alexander to beat him at WW? Talk about over the top.


Then Mike Jones beats him? hahahaha No man just no.

he's strong, but his opponents make him look stronger if they try to wrestle with him which is exactly what quintana tried to do with all his holding and hitting
collazo kept his hands free and busted up berto with body shots. the key is to keep your hands free, do work and spin out.
berto aint that big and he doesnt even fight on the inside.

and yes mike jones beats him. his defense is much tighter, he's more sound technically, has the longer reach, better jab, hits harder and is the more versatile fighter. i'd see left uppercuts in bertos future if he ever stepped in the ring with jones.
it'd be like forrest vs sugar shane all over again.

[Mr. Philadel]

you obviously havent seen enough mike jones fights. he's one of the most well-rounded welterweights right now. he's more skilled than berto in just about every single department.
berto would not stop him and i dont think haymon would put him in the ring with jones anyways.
i'd favor bradley, alexander and even ortiz over berto.
bradley and alexander's footwork is too good. bradley would be too elusive for berto since berto's footwork is absolute crap.

alexander fights in such sharp angles that berto would be reduced to swinging and grabbing at air while eating southpaw jabs all night.
now berto could at times impose his physicality on them, but my money would be on his lack of tact, ring knowledge (distance in particular), footwork, upper-body movement and an ability to set up shots all being exploited en route to a fairly easy UD. both of them box circles around him and make him look foolish.

ortiz turns him in the same fashion then knocks him out. the gap in boxing skill b/t those 3 and berto would be too wide to overcome. now you can say that quintana was supposedly the more skilled fighter in their fight and you'd be correct, but all three of those JWW are much more athletic than quintana.
skill + tact + athleticism + footwork = berto loses

spot on ......Mike Jones spanks Berto RIGHT NOW imo......I've seen about the same number of fights from BOTH Berto and Mike......I don't see how Berto can win fights without opening up wrecklessly......Berto is a KO waiting to happen and as soon as he gets in there with somebody like a Mike Jones or Sugar Shane he's gettin' KTFO.....simple!!....bet the crib on that!