Oscar De LeHoya: What has he ever done to warrant ATG status?

[Dick Buffman]

I had all the tale of the tapes saved but I lost him he was smaller though.

Pac on the other hand outweighed alot of people in his day as well..Only the newbies on Boxingscene who have been following him since 2008 think hes been this little as dude beating bigger men his whole career.

But i Digress when are you going to do another ring of fire?

I don't know, maybe this week. I've been meaning to make fun of all the new Chavez Jr. huggers.

[qwerty07]

He has more balls than Mayweather ever will? And since Mayweather calls himself GOAT, I think Oscar is worthy of ATG status.

[Dick Buffman]

I do too...I swear that fucker took a dive.

I kept hearing someone yell body shot loud as hell before the "blow" was landed. **** seemed suspect. Those kind of shots paralyze you Oscar was moving just fine.

That made Ali's phantom punch look like a crisp prime Mike Tyson uppercut. I've seen that replay a million times and it always looks like a weak ass glancing blow.

Plus look at the way Oscar sits there and ****s on the floor overplaying the whole thing like a whiny chick.

When guys get hit by a clean body shot, they're usually frozen stiff for 1 minute or 2 and this guy's being all theatrical trying to sell that he's hurt.

smh..

[jrosales13]

Yo jro, you think Oscar took a dive in the Hopkins fight?

Cuz' I always have.

It is hard to say... There are body shots that paralyze you... However, the way he acted(or overacted) didn't sit well with me....

I can see how he how he probably did take dive. I think he sense Hopkins coming on strong, landing more, and didn't want to get his face rearranged that he just went to the mat with any punch that landed.

Or maybe it was a legit body shot that he couldn't get up from...

Who knows? It is all speculation....

Fact is dude is a fishnet stocking wearing faggot ass HOF'er but not an ATG

[Dick Buffman]

It is hard to say... There are body shots that paralyze you... However, the way he acted(or overacted) didn't sit well with me....

I can see how he how he probably did take dive. I think he sense Hopkins coming on strong, landing more, and didn't want to get his face rearranged that he just went to the mat with any punch that landed.

Or maybe it was a legit body shot that he couldn't get up from...

Who knows? It is all speculation....

Fact is dude is a fishnet stocking wearing faggot ass HOF'er but not an ATG

Thats exactly how I feel about it. 100% spot on.

The fishnet pic's were real too. Anyone who believes that photoshop excuse is a straight up sucker.

I'd have much more respect for him if he owned it instead of lying about it.

[Canelo Phresh]

i saw this thread and knew j-ro wouldnt be far away

[mikeyh1015]

look at his resume ******s

[Fox McCloud]

10 time world champion in 6 division. Tell me who has gotten that or near it and not great??

This, and the fact that he beat 96-1 Chavez, an undefeated Quartey (allegedly), P4P #1 Whitaker (allegedly) and prime Vargas (some would dispute prime, but a pretty damn good Vargas nonetheless).

I think the other thing people forget is that De La Hoya may have lost a lot of his big fights, but other than Pacquiao, he never got wiped out, which isn't something a lot of people can say.

If your blemish is being shot, weight drained as hell and getting facecrushed by one of the best fighters of all time, I feel like we can give you a pass for that one loss. He did retire immediately after that fight, so that does seem to have a shred of truth to it.

EDIT: I didn't realize it said ATG (**** you Bud Ice), so... this wasn't meant to justify his ATG status. He really wasn't even a generational great, but... he certainly could fight, and was top 10 of his era I think.

[HandSpeed303]

How the hell did Tito ruin Vargas?? A person that gets ruined doesn't become a world champion again, doesn't beat a good fighter in Castillejo.

The only thing I have to say about the bold is, Vargas won the fight, sure...If that fight would have went one more round, he would have been stopped.

Most fans forget that Vargas took a beating in the last three rounds of that fight! Suffered a broken jaw I believe. He took alot of hard shot in those last three rounds. To Vargas's credit, he did pretty much handle the fight though.


Edit: What I wrote really has nothing to do with anything, the topic included. Just when I saw that fight mentioned, it took me back to that night.

[Fox McCloud]

The only thing I have to say about the bold is, Vargas won the fight, sure...If that fight would have went one more round, he would have been stopped.

Most fans forget that Vargas took a beating in the last three rounds of that fight! Suffered a broken jaw I believe. He took alot of hard shot in those last three rounds. To Vargas's credit, he did pretty much handle the fight though.


Edit: What I wrote really has nothing to do with anything, the topic included. Just when I saw that fight mentioned, it took me back to that night.

I've never seen that fight...

A few questions... did the Castillejo fight happen before or after the ODLH fight? I remember Vargas telling Oscar he wasn't fighting a ***** like Castillejo.

Also, why does Castillejo not get more rep in boxing circles? If he was putting a beatdown on Vargas for a while, and beat Sturm, and had a controversial loss in the rematch, I think that alone makes him a pretty decent fighter. All I've ever heard about him is that he was just an opponent for bigger names, and a cherry picker. Doesn't sound like it.