Title Defenses: W. Klitschko 13 Lennox Lewis 12

[Pirao]

Lennox defeated many great fighters AFTER their prime. Their names give him a very impressive resummee. IMHO opinion, LL's win over Vitali is one of his best (legacy-wise), 'cause Vitali was in his prime and dominated for years to come.

Wladimir fights many contenders, who had never been defeated, or knocked down, or stopped before. Their names are not as big, 'cause only a hand full of them had big names on their resummee. Wlad takes young hopes apart, before they get the chance to be 'greats'. It's like picking fruit before they have full flavor.

He could think about fights with great "has beens" (like Toney, Tua*, or Briggs), but I doubt any of them would be more of a challenge than Chambers.


*Tua's left hook was and is a killer, but Wlad knows this - he is far too big and defends his chin pretty well.

Please don't mention Briggs as a great has been, Toney yes, and Tua was alright too, but Briggs has always been terrible.

[Mr. Invincible]

Trying to suggest that Wlad is anywhere close to Lewis as a fighter is frankly laughable.

Lol, why is that and based on what?

More title defense wins and has been overall more dominant.

Not a farfetched comparison at all.

You do realize these same things were said about Lennox prior to his retirement as well right?

[Mikhnienko]

Frank Bruno and Derrick Jefferson are NOT compatible. That's just ******. Andrew Golota at that stage was not compatible to Lamon Brewster. David Tua was not compatible to Eddie Chambers. Lewis was only a teenager when he didn't win the gold in 84. He won a bronze. The more you post the more I can understand why you think Ali didn't win a gold medal. Your're being ridiculous. Again.

In terms of opponents for each guy.

Bruno big puncher threat to Lennox's chin
Jefferson 6'6 athletic power puncher

Tua lost to Byrd and comparing Chambers to Byrd is more than fair.

Lamon and Golota i agree Golota had more talent but he was also loaded up with lidocaine before the Lewis fight and as mentioned never beat a top 10 opponent. Have that one though, Golota is a waaaay better win, it still doesn't change the fact that their resume's aren't that far off at this point imo.

Lennox was 19 in 1984. Klitschko was 20 in 1996. Your point? And my Ali comment was based on the film and that i think he lost 2 of the 3 rounds which means he lost.

[Mr. Invincible]

I know, that's the point, if you give credit to Lennox you have to give credit to Byrd too for beating Vitali.

I give neither much credit seeing as how they were both getting beaten pretty handily. Anyone who doesn't realize they were most likely in for losses are delusional.

[Mr. Invincible]

Because you said Lewis lost in your opinion.

In my opinion he lost. Get over it. It's my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

I don't care what the official books say.

Just like Byrd lost to Vitali.

Had the fight been closer I could rationalize your thoughts but I watched the fight which is probably more that you have.

Probably a sore thought for you as it appears.

Here's the link if you want to actually see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDot0rbYSfo

Notice that Lennox lost almost every exchange? How about the condition of his face as well? Swollen more than I had ever seen it.

Think what you want to think, but deep down you know he lost the fight and would have officially too had the fight continued.

GIFT WIN> LIKE IT OR NOT.

[bolopunchez]

So? They both won within the rules, if you give credit to one you have to give credit to the other, maybe you don't want to give credit to Byrd because it would destroy your argument that noone in Wlad's resume would beat Tua and Vitali?

There's a difference into how the fights played out, though.

One of them was won after clear losing for most of the fight and their opponent not being able to continue due to a fluke injury. The other was after cutting your opponent with a clean punch and starting to win more rounds before the fight was stopped.

Big difference.

[Pirao]

There's a difference into how the fights played out, though.

One of them was won after clear losing for most of the fight and their opponent not being able to continue due to a fluke injury. The other was after cutting your opponent with a clean punch and starting to win more rounds before the fight was stopped.

Big difference.

Yet they're both listed as TKO victories, Byrd did defeat both Tua and Vitali, fact.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

In my opinion he lost. Get over it. It's my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

You can also say the sky is pink if you want. Doesnt change facts. Lewis did not lose the fight.....in any way shape or form.

Had the fight been closer

It was 4 rounds to 2....

Notice that Lennox lost almost every exchange? How about the condition of his face as well? Swollen more than I had ever seen it.

[bolopunchez]

Yet they're both listed as TKO victories, Byrd did defeat both Tua and Vitali, fact.

The fact that you choose not to look into the specific details of the fight shows that you have nothing to prove and that I'm right.

[Pirao]

The fact that you choose not to look into the specific details of the fight shows that you have nothing to prove and that I'm right.

You're right? You have said noone in Wlad's resume would defeat Tua and Vitali, yet Byrd has defeated both, so yeah That you have to resort to trolling shows that I'm right, Byrd defeated Vitali and Tua and Wlad defeated Byrd (twice), fact.