Title Defenses: W. Klitschko 13 Lennox Lewis 12

[bolopunchez]

You're right? You have said noone in Wlad's resume would defeat Tua and Vitali, yet Byrd has defeated both, so yeah That you have to resort to trolling shows that I'm right, Byrd defeated Vitali and Tua and Wlad defeated Byrd (twice), fact.

I admitted that I forgot about Byrd's victory over Tua. That was a mistake on my part.

I tried to discuss the details of Byrd's "victory" over Vitali but you chose to not to. Anyone who's seen the fight will tell you that Vitali was clearly winning the fight until the fluke injury. Byrd did nothing to stop Vitali. Vitali did it to himself.

When you call someone out, at least have the common courtesy to actually talk about the subject instead of looking at their records on BoxRec and claim that you know what you're talking about.

[Phirsole]

There's a difference into how the fights played out, though.

One of them was won after clear losing for most of the fight and their opponent not being able to continue due to a fluke injury. The other was after cutting your opponent with a clean punch and starting to win more rounds before the fight was stopped.

Big difference.

Vitali lost fights twice, but was defeated only once.

[Calilloyd]

The same Golota that never beat a top 10 contender in his life?

Sure about that?

In fact wasn't it you that posted that yesterday? Geez, talk about sawing your own limb.

The question was compatibilie. Two different topics Mr "Ali and Joe Louis ducked European fighter's ".

[PensionKiller]

Frank Bruno------Derrick Jefferson
Phil Jackson-------Hasim Rahman
Akinwande -------Ray Austin
Andre Golota -----Lamon Breswster
Shanno Briggs---Tony Thompson
Zeljko Mavrovic---Calvin Brock
Holyfield----------Ruslan Chagaev
Francois Botha----Francois Botha
Michael Grant ----Jameel McCline
David Tua --------Eddie Chambers
Mike Tyson-------Sultan Ibragimov
Vitali Klitschko ----Ray Mercer
--------------------- Charles Shufford


Aside from Vitali, all the others matched up vs eachother are not all that incompatable.




Give me a break man. Lennox definitely has an edge at this point, no doubt, but they're not far off.



Jefferson, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Mercer, Brewster, Rahman, Thompson are all good punchers.



Byrd did and i'm sure Eddie Chambers would be able to. Ibragimov, Chagaev would imo

Thompson, Brewster, Mccline would have a good shot.



Keep in mind that it took Lennox 2 tries before he won Gold, he lost in '84 and Cuba & Soviets weren't even involved in those games.

All fair points, i favour Lennox too in a prime h2h matchup but it's close. I just think its ridiculous when people act like a comparison is unreasonable.



Yup, if politics doesn't get in the way and he fights and beats

Povetkin
Haye
Arreola
maybe
Solis
Peter
Adamek
Valuev
and a good newcomer like Pulev or Helenius at the end of his career he would have an extremely solid resume.

I agree on the matchups, I thought of putting them side by side like that and I think it shows how little difference there is between the two resumes.

I also agree Lewis has the slight edge at this point but see it as being inevitable that Wlad pretty much matches or exceeds all of Lewis' most noteworthy accomplishments before he retires.

I do agree that Wlad has a very good resume but I am sure there are some names missing on the Lennox side there.

As for Hitman about the names on Lewis's resume, yeah some were old but so were guys on Wlad's resume too like Rahman for example.

Mercer who fought Lewis was much better than the one who fought Wlad. There are names on both that are out of prime.

[pelonxsoldier28]

Looking at both Lewis and Wlad list. Lewis list 10x more impressive than Wlad list.

co-sign.........

[Hitman932]

Mercer who fought Lewis was much better than the one who fought Wlad. There are names on both that are out of prime.

Yes, but Lewis apologists are taking full credit for him beating prime versions of Holyfield and Tyson and pretending that David Tua is one of the 5 best heavyweight of the past 10 years.

Until they stop pretending the above is true and admit the truth we can't really have a decent debate on the subject.

The reality of the situation is the Chris Byrd that Wlad won the title from as a 24 year old was as good or better than everyone Lewis beat with the exception of Vitali (who Byrd has a win over), People don't want to give Wlad credit cause Byrd didn't match up well.

However if Lennox get full credit for beating a 6'2 217 lb past prime Holyfield then Wlad should get as much or more credit for beating a 6'1 214lb completely prime Chris Byrd.

[PensionKiller]

Yes, but Lewis apologists are taking full credit for him beating prime versions of Holyfield and Tyson and pretending that David Tua is one of the 5 best heavyweight of the past 10 years.

Until they stop pretending the above is true and admit the truth we can't really have a decent debate on the subject.

The reality of the situation is the Chris Byrd that Wlad won the title from as a 24 year old was as good or better than everyone Lewis beat with the exception of Vitali (who Byrd has a win over), People don't want to give Wlad credit cause Byrd didn't match up well.

However if Lennox get full credit for beating a 6'2 217 lb past prime Holyfield then Wlad should get as much or more credit for beating a 6'1 214lb completely prime Chris Byrd.

TBH Holyfield at past prime or in prime was on and off. Lewis beat him the first time for me but that draw will be a draw because that's boxing.
The one that faced Lewis in the second was real hungry. Heck he is still a good fighter today giving Valuev a hell of a boxing clinic even though it was quite a low output fight. Where is Byrd now compared to Holyfield?

Byrd got beat at 175 the last time I heard of him.

Vitali lost that fight to Byrd due to a big injury. He was getting smacked up but again I give him that win because Vitali quit.

Byrd is a good win, one of Wlad's best.

It wasn't me who said Byrd wasn't a good win.

I'm just saying that Lewis has better quality fighters for me. Some of them are big and would match up well in size VS Wlad aswell, and I have seen Wlad quite cautious in certain fights.

However, this Wlad now beats most of them. A good question is, would Lewis beat people no Wlad's resume in the same order, and would Wlad beat Lewis's resume in the same order?

I'd say Lewis does better than Wlad.

It's a shame for me that Vitali got so many injuries because I would think that he would have beaten so many fighters and had a better resume than Wlad.

I personally feel Vtali has a better chance at going through Lewi's resume at the same kinda age and order than Wlad.

[Hitman932]

However, this Wlad now beats most of them. A good question is, would Lewis beat people no Wlad's resume in the same order, and would Wlad beat Lewis's resume in the same order?

I'd say Lewis does better than Wlad.

I disagree. Lewis could not knock out Holyfield in 2 tries, he could not stop Tua, could not stop Mavrovic, could not stop an ancient Tony Tucker.

I am pretty sure Wlad could have equaled or even exceeded his accomplishment of winning boring decisions over all of them.

[PensionKiller]

I disagree. Lewis could not knock out Holyfield in 2 tries, he could not stop Tua, could not stop Mavrovic, could not stop an ancient Tony Tucker.

I am pretty sure Wlad could have equaled or even exceeded his accomplishment of winning boring decisions over all of them.

Dunno about stopping Tua TBH.

Holyfield has been stopped, but TBH I have no doubt that Wlad's jab and right would be evaded by Holyfield.

Wlad is very strong, but hOLYFIELD IS JUST A VERY TALENTED AND TECHNICAL FIGHTER THAT when he was on his A gAME, he would slip punches etc.

I give Wlad full credit for coming in shape, working very hard and never really being complacent, but in the ring, Wlad has had very boring rounds.

I think that Wlad is just too relaxed to go for the KO straight away, even more so than Lewis for me.

[Hitman932]

Dunno about stopping Tua TBH.

Holyfield has been stopped, but TBH I have no doubt that Wlad's jab and right would be evaded by Holyfield.

Wlad is very strong, but hOLYFIELD IS JUST A VERY TALENTED AND TECHNICAL FIGHTER THAT when he was on his A gAME, he would slip punches etc.

I give Wlad full credit for coming in shape, working very hard and never really being complacent, but in the ring, Wlad has had very boring rounds.

I think that Wlad is just too relaxed to go for the KO straight away, even more so than Lewis for me.

I'm not saying Wlad would have certainly done better, just that Lewis wasn't very impressive in any of those fights and Klitschko would have easily won decision over all those guys as well.

Wlad would look much better against guys who were willing to come forward doing nothing like Tua. If you put a washed up Tyson in front of him and let him unload for 8 rounds maybe people would wake up and smell the coffee.