Title Defenses: W. Klitschko 13 Lennox Lewis 12

[Dirk Diggler UK]

First off, don't take it so personal. Sorry if I shamed your hero or something.

Secondly, because that was not the gameplan to win on cuts now was it? I don't recall Lennox mentioning that prior to the fight..........maybe he did but it was on the down low or something like a secret weapon. lol.

Silly fella.

Who has a gameplan to win on cuts? What the **** does that have to do with anything? Lewis won the fight by 6th round TKO.

Only person you're shaming is yourself by saying he lost....lol wtf?

[Pirao]

It was not then, only recently.

I don't think Wladimir's 2000-2003 title claim should be considered equal to Lewis, who had been avoided by Bowe, thus given the vacanted WBC heavyweight title, and side-stepped by Tyson, thus given the vacanted WBC title again. In Wladimir's case he hardly has a case to having been a legitimate champion because he went onto be knocked out by Sanders before having a chance to fight Lewis.

Of course most people probably look at it on hindsight, with the WBO given recognition as a legitimate title now, but back in the 1990's nobody recognized the likes of Damiani and Hide as legitimate title holders.

But then Michalzewski wouldn't have been undisputed either, and he was. The WBO was indeed a legit belt at the time Wlad held it (again, I'm not saying he was equal with Lennox because they both held belts, just like Haye is not equal to the bros right now).

[Mr. Invincible]

I understand that we can't really say one will beat the other on that, but I do feel that Lewis was big enough to handle Wlad's size.

I feel Lewis ni his prime was more athletic than Wlad which is a very good compliment.

Wlad has the power, but throws less. His jab is better, but Lewis was world class also.

Lewis had power that you had to respect, and that's why I feel Wlad's effectiveness or atleast workrate would be a lot lower.

Lewis also fought some good guys and that shows me he is a very good quality fighter.

Both won the olympic gold and have dteward so that's quite funny how they kinda match up lol. Both use the jab, box smartly, quite big etc...

Also I believe that Lewis in his prime would have had Vitali, and I feel Vitali beats Wlad. Although triangle theories don't always work

Still, for me, a green Lewis beats a green wlad 100%. a prime Lewis beats a priME wLAD BUT IT WILL BE CLOSE

Good and fair opinion. Cheers.

[PensionKiller]

No problem, every one of us has bias towards certain fighters, I'm a Klitschko fan.

I don't discredit Lennox's win over Vitali, he beat him fairly within the rules of boxing. I think he should have given Vitali a rematch though, but oh well.

I think Wlad would lose to Lennox too, I rate Lennox quite highly among the HWs, but I'm tired of people trying to discredit the Klitschkos after every fight, there are so many Klitschko haters in this forum that I get a little overzelous at times.

Anytime, bro

Yes a rematch with Vitali would have been a good fight if both trained for each other. Lewis may have lost, who knows, both didn;t train for each other. Then again, I also feel a hungry Lewis is a much more dangerous fighter.

You know, the Klit's are good fighters, and it's abit of two things for me.

Wladamir sometimes doesn;t go for a KO when he has them beat for me. The other thing is that fans are angry at how **** the divison is, and some at how dominant the Klit;s are.

I don't have beef with Vitali though. Always been a fan apart from the Lewis hate from some Klit fans

Naw, don't cop out like that. Lennox got sparked out twice by big right hands that were both nowhere in the same league as Wladimir's. Bad combo for Lennox in my opinion even though I am not saying Klitschko definitely lands the money shot. No way to tell what would have happened actually.

It's true that he did get Knock the **** out badly.

The Mccal rematch was a weird one so I'm not sure on whether Lewis would handle it if he was not crying. Althoguh I think so.

The Rahman 1 fight was just clear for me that Lewis was too busy chatting to bradpit or some actor ****er. He dismantled Rahman badly in a rematch

Wlad does have a great jab and right, but as you said, the money punch? Well it depends on who you face and it won't be easy to hit Lewis.

There's a vid somewhere of Lewis and the shots he has taken. Some real good shots.

edit: Just found this video.

I know it's only bits of fights but I enjoyed it

[Mr. Invincible]

The fact is he lost the fight by 6th round TKO. You can have an opinion on who would've won had it continued or in a rematch. But you cant say "Lewis lost that fight in my opinion"....

Oh yea, and why can't we? Because you don't think so?
C'mon, really? How childish is that.

[TheGreatA]

But then Michalzewski wouldn't have been undisputed either, and he was. The WBO was indeed a legit belt at the time Wlad held it (again, I'm not saying he was equal with Lennox because they both held belts, just like Haye is not equal to the bros right now).

As I said previously, Michalczewski unified the titles and beat the recognized undisputed WBA & IBF champion Virgil Hill, equal to WBO champ Wladimir beating undisputed champion Lewis and then having his title stripped off by the title organizations for no reason. He did not do this and that's why any claims of Wladimir being a legitimate title holder in the early 2000's is rather questionable.

Hide and Damiani aren't, so I don't see any reason why Wladimir should be.

[Mr. Invincible]

Who has a gameplan to win on cuts? What the **** does that have to do with anything? Lewis won the fight by 6th round TKO.

Only person you're shaming is yourself by saying he lost....lol wtf?

I didn't say he lost officially.....that's silly. However, there are a lot of boxing experts who feel like Vitali was beating Lennox handily (you know he was, otherwise you wouldn't be pissed off about it) and would have went on to win had the fight continued. The gift win was based on a freak cut. It wasn't as if Lennox tried to end the fight on a cut like a gameplan or something. It just happened. Just like when a fighter and another fighters head comes together and the fight is scored right then rather than be ruled a NC. The fight was not settled and by the way Lennox retired before the 2nd fight he promised shows how he felt about his chances in a rematch where both men were prepared for one another. He backed out. He knew Vitali had his number, so why don't you?

And as far as shaming myself, go read some of the crap you have written on this thread. It's so borderline retarted, it's laughable. Have a nice day.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Oh yea, and why can't we? Because you don't think so?
C'mon, really? How childish is that.

Read it again, child.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I didn't say he lost officially.....that's silly. However, there are a lot of boxing experts who feel like Vitali was beating Lennox handily (you know he was, otherwise you wouldn't be pissed off about it) and would have went on to win had the fight continued. The gift win was based on a freak cut. It wasn't as if Lennox tried to end the fight on a cut like a gameplan or something. It just happened. Just like when a fighter and another fighters head comes together and the fight is scored right then rather than be ruled a NC. The fight was not settled and by the way Lennox retired before the 2nd fight he promised shows how he felt about his chances in a rematch where both men were prepared for one another. He backed out. He knew Vitali had his number, so why don't you?

And as far as shaming myself, go read some of the crap you have written on this thread. It's so borderline retarted, it's laughable. Have a nice day.

You said in your opinion, Lewis lost the fight. He was losing 4-2 on the cards. Handily? LOL He won the fight because he pummelled Vitali's face so hard, it caused one of the worst cuts in boxing history. Hardly the face of a man that was "handily" winning a fight.

[Hitman932]

The point of the thread was not to say the Wladimir Klitschko is a better fighter than Lennox Lewis, or that his resume is superior to Lewis'.

I just think that Klitschko does not get near the respect he deserves and that Lewis has been given a little bit too much.

Ir's funny that this has turned into a bitching and moaning about Vitali-Lewis. I only have one thing to say about that. Why the hell was Lewis intending to fight Kirk Johnson in the 1st place?

Lewis wound down his career fighting Botha, an overmatched and overhyped Tua, another guy he was 10 times better than in Rahman, a completely washed up Mike Tyson in a circus fight and then wanted to top it off with Kirk Johnson?

He should thank God everyday that Vitali stepped up and fought him because his legacy would be altogether different if he would have just quietly retired after harpooning Kirk Johnson.

Also, you can question the legitimacy of Wlad's WBO belt if you want but it's really a silly argument.

Wlad beat a very good champion in Chris Byrd.

Byrd has wins over Tua, Holyfield, and Vitali Klitschko (if those names sound familiar they are the same ones Lewis is getting so much credit for)

Wlad did it at the age of 24. Lewis was 27 when he beat an ancient Tony Tucker in his first title fight, a title which he techincally didn't even win in the ring but anyhow.

The 2nd title reign of Lewis also began with him fighting for a vacant title in lieu of facing a champion and he faced a guy with 6 losses who has been beaten already by Orlin Norris and a handful of other only decent fighters.

Lewis also showed plenty of *****s in the armor in fights he won. He went life and death with Ray Mercer and escaped with a razor thin decision, he was losing to Frank Bruno before knocking him out and he was losing to Vitali Klitschko when their fight was stopped.

Wladimir of the other hand has absolutely dominated nearly every round of every fight in his title reign. You could make the argument that he has won every round of every fight for the last 5 years since he was clubbed down by Sam Peter in a 10-7 round.

I suppose the judges have given opponents a few "mercy" rounds here and there, but you'd be hard pressed to present a round from one of these fights where 3 or 4 unobjective judges would all score a round for his opponent.

There are so many ways you can look at this and compare, I just think it's a little ridiculous that some people consider Lewis so far superior to either Klitschko when you put their accomplishments into context.