Title Defenses: W. Klitschko 13 Lennox Lewis 12

[The Underboss]

but Lewis defended his title against better opponents than Wlad.

I'm not taking anything away from Wlad, he has faced EVERY #1 contenders out there for his title and has beaten everyone, he still gets my respect.

[TheGreatA]

Because they want to have all the major belts between them. Lewis didn't need the WBO because he had already unified the other 3 major belts, which already makes you undisputed.



Yeah, I forget that the IBF, WBC and WBA trinkets have always been held by great fighters, they've never had any papaer champions, right?

I'd argue that he didn't need the WBO because no one cared about the WBO.

Yeah, I forget that the IBF, WBC and WBA trinkets have always been held by great fighters, they've never had any papaer champions, right?

Yes but who recognizes the likes of Michael Bentt, Henry Akinwande or Herbie Hide as heavyweight title holders? No one. They weren't paper champions, they weren't really champions at all.

Is IBO title holder Sakio Bika a world champion? Will his IBO title reign suddenly become recognized as legit if in the future IBO becomes a recognized world title? Not for me.

[Jim Jeffries]

Frank Bruno and Derrick Jefferson are NOT compatible. That's just ******. Andrew Golota at that stage was not compatible to Lamon Brewster. David Tua was not compatible to Eddie Chambers. Lewis was only a teenager when he didn't win the gold in 84. He won a bronze. The more you post the more I can understand why you think Ali didn't win a gold medal. Your're being ridiculous. Again.

The same Golota that never beat a top 10 contender in his life?

Sure about that?

In fact wasn't it you that posted that yesterday? Geez, talk about sawing your own limb.

[Pirao]

I'd argue that he didn't need the WBO because no one cared about the WBO.



Yes but who recognizes the likes of Michael Bentt, Henry Akinwande or Herbie Hide as heavyweight title holders? No one. They weren't paper champions, they weren't really champions at all.

Is IBO title holder Sakio Bika a world champion? Will his IBO title reign suddenly become recognized as legit if in the future IBO becomes a recognized world title? Not for me.

Cool, as I've said let's just agree to disagree. Also, I hope the IBO belt doesn't get more recognition, more belts is the last thing we need.

[TheGreatA]

Cool, as I've said let's just agree to disagree. Also, I hope the IBO belt doesn't get more recognition, more belts is the last thing we need.

No problem. Just giving my point of view on the subject of this thread.

[Drunk Punch]

Please don't anyone ever compare Wlad to Lewis.

[Phirsole]

Lennox defeated many great fighters AFTER their prime. Their names give him a very impressive resummee. IMHO opinion, LL's win over Vitali is one of his best (legacy-wise), 'cause Vitali was in his prime and dominated for years to come.

Wladimir fights many contenders, who had never been defeated, or knocked down, or stopped before. Their names are not as big, 'cause only a hand full of them had big names on their resummee. Wlad takes young hopes apart, before they get the chance to be 'greats'. It's like picking fruit before they have full flavor.

He could think about fights with great "has beens" (like Toney, Tua*, or Briggs), but I doubt any of them would be more of a challenge than Chambers.


*Tua's left hook was and is a killer, but Wlad knows this - he is far too big and defends his chin pretty well.

[Mr. Invincible]

Vitali was winning a decision. He had Lewis rocked and without the cut would he have won the fight? I'd say most probably. He might have even KO'd Lewis.

Okay and that's exactly what I'm saying.............so why do I get negative feedback for my opinion that it was a gift win?

If I wanted to come on here and deliver bad marks on everyone who I disagreed with, I would have a new day job.

Some people on here need to grow up, seriously.

[Pirao]

No problem. Just giving my point of view on the subject of this thread.

Me too, I just think we can't get to agree on this matter because we both have legit (I think) views of the situation. Thanks for the rep BTW, I'll rep you back as soon as I can

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Okay and that's exactly what I'm saying.............so why do I get negative feedback for my opinion that it was a gift win?

Because you said Lewis lost in your opinion.