Title Defenses: W. Klitschko 13 Lennox Lewis 12

[S H O B O X]

No.. did anyone accuse you of it?

This thread is for a discussion, not a debate on racism.

Red K sent.

well posts like this certainly don't help

[QUOTE=Carnivore;7855147]No, all bias aside, Wlad's is actually better. Wlad's list has many fighters who had never been stopped before.

Nearly all of Lennox's opponents had been previously KOed and were past their prime.

I know why you hate Wlad, you racist bastard.[/QUOTE]

[PensionKiller]

I Lewis has a slight advantage in quality, no more, no less.

For instance, Tyson looks great on paper and he surely has a legacy that exceeds that of any of Wlad's victims, but that version of Tyson also lost to Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

Now if Tyson lost to McBride I think it is safe to say he would probably lose to Tony Thompson as well.

So how much credit does Lewis really deserve for beating a guy who would have been easily beaten by any number of Wlad's KO victims?

I think that Tyson still had something left. Yes he wasn't in prime, but Tyson had his prime a long time ago.

Don't get me wrong, Wlad has a decent resume, but I wish he defeated the guys who beat him rather than his brother for example.

Just my thoughts.

Although someone like Tua would have beaten most if not all on Wlad's resume.

Wlad is handling what is in front of him now and is a decent fighter. I prefer Vitali on style and wish he didn;t have injuries

[project xxx1]

It's actually 13-11.

Vitali dominated Lennox and scared him into retirement.

lewis was past it and klits still couldnt get rid of him and got his face busted up,why a rematch when he was already past it,klits had his chance and couldnt take it

[D-MiZe]

If Wlad adds Povetkin and Haye to that list, then I'll re-consider.

[Hitman932]

Perhaps the one thing seperatng Wlad and Lennox is the fact that Lennox unified the titles and defended the undisputed titles. But there is still time!

Lewis only unified 3 belts, not 4. Plus he never defended all 3 one single time.

He fought the last few years of his career with only the WBC and IBF titles and possessed only the WBC when he retired.

Without the presence of his brother, and a ***** like David Haye who wants to sit on his title, there is little doubt in my mind that Klitschko would have already eclipsed Lewis' accomplishments in that regard as well.

[Hitman932]

I think that Tyson still had something left. Yes he wasn't in prime, but Tyson had his prime a long time ago.

Don't get me wrong, Wlad has a decent resume, but I wish he defeated the guys who beat him rather than his brother for example.

Just my thoughts.

Although someone like Tua would have beaten most if not all on Wlad's resume.

Wlad is handling what is in front of him now and is a decent fighter. I prefer Vitali on style and wish he didn;t have injuries

You can think Tyson has something left, fact is he didn't.

As for Tua, yeah he would have beaten most of them, but he is not an ATG by any stretch and Lewis fought a boring ass fight against him. There is a reason Tua has never been a Heavyweight Champion and it's because he just isn't that good. He fought without heart against Lewis and gave up on himself, he would have done the same against Wlad Klitschko.

[PensionKiller]

Lewis only unified 3 belts, not 4. Plus he never defended all 3 one single time.

He fought the last few years of his career with only the WBC and IBF titles and possessed only the WBC when he retired.

Without the presence of his brother, and a ***** like David Haye who wants to sit on his title, there is little doubt in my mind that Klitschko would have already eclipsed Lewis' accomplishments in that regard as well.

This is what I don;t like about the Klit's.

They need to fight each other.

Wlad gets a pass on his defeats to sanders, purity and brewster because his brother beat them up.

Vitali is the man.

[project xxx1]

If Wlad adds Povetkin and Haye to that list, then I'll re-consider.

i hope haye knocks him out,i doubt it though

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It's actually 13-11.

Vitali dominated Lennox and scared him into retirement.

[PensionKiller]

You can think Tyson has something left, fact is he didn't.

As for Tua, yeah he would have beaten most of them, but he is not an ATG by any stretch and Lewis fought a boring ass fight against him. There is a reason Tua has never been a Heavyweight Champion and it's because he just isn't that good. He fought without heart against Lewis and gave up on himself, he would have done the same against Wlad Klitschko.

Yes Tyson didn't, but his power and chin was still there.

It depends on when Wlad would have faced Tua.

Wlad has been defeated before. If it is now, a prime Tua would still give Wlad a hgue problem. The main thing is power which we all know is Wlad's krytonite.

If you look at how Lewis lost, it was by big punches and one of them he was kinda unfit for filming, but he did rematch and win eventually.

Wlad's recent resume ahs decent names, but they aren't guys with big punches.