What do you think Ali would do against a klitschko?

[Jim Jeffries]

I remember that. Wlad wasn't meant to beat Sanders that night anyway, he couldnt see anything coming and Sanders has quick hands to accompany that power.

Yeah most likely. Hard to jab against a southpaw and he hadn't gotten the chance to work with Steward yet. Pretty sure today's version of Wlad beats him.


Something a little shady in that Brewster fight too. The way the ref stopped the fight after the round was over, when he got hit just after the bell and didn't go down until the ref pulled him off Brewster (after the bell.) There again, Wlad was gassed as hell and probably would've lost anyway, but I would've liked to seen him get a minute to recover.

I know you can't get saved by the bell, but what if you go down after the bell? Especially by a punch that landed after the bell.

[fight_professor]

If he stays on the outside he plays in to Wlads hands.

Dont see how. Are you saying without a notable reach advantage, Wlad will beat Ali to the punch using speed?

Ali's footspeed decides this. It's like a scaled up Manny with the speed man. Too many people are either not students of the game or have short memories.

[Left Banned Tua]

Are people actually acting like Sanders isnt a monstrous puncher? The man can ****.

don't forget southpaw and has fast hands for a heavyweight.

corrie is a match for a lot of people in the 1st few rounds 'til he gasses.

[Left Banned Tua]

Shavers hit like a ton of bricks, but he was short, and barely over 200 when in shape. Norton was built like a greek god, but only 205-210 in his prime.

Norton was boxing in the military back when my dad was in the Marines, doing a little boxing himself. Got my pops to drop to LHW, lol.

norton had an awesome build.

muscular but not bulky.

every boxer should look like him.

[AKATheMack]

Dont see how. Are you saying without a notable reach advantage, Wlad will beat Ali to the punch using speed?

Ali's footspeed decides this. It's like a scaled up Manny with the speed man. Too many people are either not students of the game or have short memories.

Ali wasn't a come forward offensive fighter like Manny is otherwise he'd do better. Im saying that even at equal reach the significantly taller fighter still has the advantage on the outside. Wlad also lands the stronger jab of the two so in a jabbing contest Ali will have problems.

[Jim Jeffries]

shall i start make excuses for all of pattersons knock downs?
ali gets knocked down against cooper in his prime, the reaction is comparable with the end of the world, others get knocked down tons of times, its nothing special ?

Ali wasn't in his prime yet when he fought Cooper. And he certainly didn't make the same mistake in the rematch.

i was responding to your " patterson got knocked down 18times in his career"
i know wladimir dominated the fight.

Patterson has still been knocked down more than any other HW champ. People also call Wlad's chin "glass" so you're not original there.

where is the proof he was 40?, because thats what u were claiming.
an old inactive fighter doesnt embarrass an ATG the way liston did.
liston fought ali 7months after he demolished patterson a second time.
wladimir was not in the ring for 9 months now, but he beat the **** out of chambers, didnt he?

In the 3 1/2 years leading up to the Ali fight, Liston had fought a total of less than 5 rounds.

Wlad over the same time period? 43 rounds, slight difference.

Where is the proof Liston was 32? Most boxing historians believe he was closer to 40.

[AKATheMack]

don't forget southpaw and has fast hands for a heavyweight.

corrie is a match for a lot of people in the 1st few rounds 'til he gasses.

Classic example of an underachiever. Relies on his physical talents and isn't willing to train right. He had decent size, is a southpaw, quick hands and devastating power. Should have done much more.

[SN!PER]

Ali would have to win on points obviously, his power wouldn't be enough. Even for Prime Ali it would be a very difficult fight. But yes, with the proper training, I believe he could pull it off due to his masterful footwork, lightning jabs and counters, ability to exploit his opponents' styles and find holes, ability to dodge a very high percentage of punches thrown his way, and of course his heart and work ethic. It's not so much the size difference, but the Klitschkos' stamina (better than most of Ali's past opponents) that would make it a long night for him.

[Schmerzen]

Ali wasn't in his prime yet when he fought Cooper. And he certainly didn't make the same mistake in the rematch.

besides the knockdown, i have never seen ali better in any fight than against cooper 63 or liston 64.

Patterson has still been knocked down more than any other HW champ. People also call Wlad's chin "glass" so you're not original there.

knock down =/ knock out.
i dont think wlads chin is the prob, the reason why he was knocked out is not his ability to take a punch, more his heart.

In the 3 1/2 years leading up to the Ali fight, Liston had fought a total of less than 5 rounds.
Wlad over the same time period? 43 rounds, slight difference.

says anything i need to know about listons dominance at the time ali fought him.
why do ppl allways make excuses for alis opponents, and never the other way around ?

Where is the proof Liston was 32? Most boxing historians believe he was closer to 40.

31 was his official age, not 32.
there r more religious ppl in the world believing in god than atheists who dont, which side is right?

[Calilloyd]

Yeah most likely. Hard to jab against a southpaw and he hadn't gotten the chance to work with Steward yet. Pretty sure today's version of Wlad beats him.


Something a little shady in that Brewster fight too. The way the ref stopped the fight after the round was over, when he got hit just after the bell and didn't go down until the ref pulled him off Brewster (after the bell.) There again, Wlad was gassed as hell and probably would've lost anyway, but I would've liked to seen him get a minute to recover.

I know you can't get saved by the bell, but what if you go down after the bell? Especially by a punch that landed after the bell.

Oh I see. The ref cheated Wlad in that fight? That's a new one.