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  • #91
    Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
    u wrote the winner will be #1 at ww PROBABLY, i have responded to that.
    i was trying to say that u extremely overrate his win against clottey.
    but if u dont know what to do next, put words in my mouth, np.

    spast
    i wrote probably because the winner is not yet determined.

    a win by mosley is a guaranteed top ranking at 147.

    a win by mayweather might not be.

    get it?

    recent wins at 147 (if mayweather wins):

    pacquiao = wins over cotto #2 , clottey #5

    mayweather = wins over marquez (unranked) , mosley #1 or #2

    a mayweather win over mosley doesn't guarantee him a #1 ranking. it all depends on how he wins.

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    • #92
      We will know on May 2nd. It's a 3 way tie now. If activity is the main focus Manny Pacquiao easily, If the weight of 147 is the focul point then Mosley is the man, an if consistency is what you want then Floyd Mayweather is the logical choice. I could agree with most posters on these arguments.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Glock View Post
        i wrote probably because the winner is not yet determined.

        a win by mosley is a guaranteed top ranking at 147.

        a win by mayweather might not be.

        get it?

        recent wins at 147 (if mayweather wins):

        pacquiao = wins over cotto #2 , clottey #5

        mayweather = wins over marquez (unranked) , mosley #1 or #2

        a mayweather win over mosley doesn't guarantee him a #1 ranking. it all depends on how he wins.

        did u forget floyd beat baldomir, judah ?

        i rate those wins easily on the same level as pacs victorys at the WW division.

        while i rate mosleys WW resume over pacs and floyds, he beat a prime de la hoya at 147, and margarito who was rated as #1 ww at the time mosley fought him, also by the ring magazine i bet.

        and if floyd beats shane, there is no doubt he is #1 WW in my opinion, would be bigger than anything pac did at WW, doesnt matter how he beats him.

        team pacquiao never wanted a fight with mosley, the WW king came twice to their gym and they send him both times back, and u think pacquaio deserves to be rated as the best ww?

        its all a matter of opinion, but i would say definitive not.

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        • #94
          To be honest we don't know the best WW. If the winner of Floyd/Mosley faces Pacquiao then we have an answer.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
            did u forget floyd beat baldomir, judah ?

            i rate those wins easily on the same level as pacs victorys at the WW division.

            while i rate mosleys WW resume over pacs and floyds, he beat a prime de la hoya at 147, and margarito who was rated as #1 ww at the time mosley fought him, also by the ring magazine i bet.

            and if floyd beats shane, there is no doubt he is #1 WW in my opinion, would be bigger than anything pac did at WW, doesnt matter how he beats him.

            team pacquiao never wanted a fight with mosley, the WW king came twice to their gym and they send him both times back, and u think pacquaio deserves to be rated as the best ww?

            its all a matter of opinion, but i would say definitive not.
            did you forget that judah and baldomir was 3-4 years ago?

            these are current divisional rankings. not HOF/ATG rankings.

            mosley has had 2 wins and 1 loss at 147 since 2002.

            mayweather has had 1 win at 147 since 2007.

            it's 2010 , homeboy.

            you don't think 2 wins against 2 top 5 welterweights in the last 4 months mean anything?


            think before you post.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Glock View Post
              did you forget that judah and baldomir was 3-4 years ago?
              we all know since singsurat knocked out pacquiao to the next millennium, pacquiao fans like to ignore history.

              Originally posted by Glock View Post
              these are current divisional rankings. not HOF/ATG rankings.
              yeah mosley doesnt fight for 1 year, and u act like he didnt fought for 100years...



              Originally posted by Glock View Post
              you don't think 2 wins against 2 top 5 welterweights in the last 4 months mean anything?
              i think a win over a prime de la hoya and margarito is better than beating cotto at 145 and clottey, it doesnt matter when those fight actually happened
              pacquiao can also fight until the age of 40 and i would give him also credit for that..

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              • #97
                As a Pac fan, I voted Pac. But the real answer is the one who wins when either Pac/Mosley or Pac/Mayweather fight.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
                  we all know since singsurat knocked out pacquiao to the next millennium, pacquiao fans like to ignore history.



                  yeah mosley doesnt fight for 1 year, and u act like he didnt fought for 100years...





                  i think a win over a prime de la hoya and margarito is better than beating cotto at 145 and clottey, it doesnt matter when those fight actually happened
                  pacquiao can also fight until the age of 40 and i would give him also credit for that..
                  rankings has nothing to do with history. rankings are based on skills , estimations of how you would do against future ranked opponents , recent wins and how you won.

                  if you don't know how rankings work you shouldn't talk about it.

                  what does singsurat knocking out pacquiao at flyweight 11 years ago have to do with welterweight rankings in 2010?


                  you do realize that you can be dropped from the rankings for inactivity right?


                  tell me again how long ago was the delahoya fight? 10 years ago?


                  god you're ******.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Glock View Post
                    did you forget that judah and baldomir was 3-4 years ago?

                    these are current divisional rankings. not HOF/ATG rankings.

                    mosley has had 2 wins and 1 loss at 147 since 2002.

                    mayweather has had 1 win at 147 since 2007.

                    it's 2010 , homeboy.

                    you don't think 2 wins against 2 top 5 welterweights in the last 4 months mean anything?


                    think before you post.
                    Baldomir is the only real WW Fraud has fought since he moved up.

                    I don't even see how he's ranked at WW. He's done nothing at the weight.



                    He's 5-10 at WW at BEST!

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                    • Originally posted by SekondzOut View Post
                      Mosley is STILL the man until he gets beat.....thats how it works or are going by the Pacquiao or Mayweather rules?!?.....Shane Mosley beat Margarito.....the same Margarito who has W's over Pacquiao's last 2 opponents.....easy math if a **** aint in ya mouth(no ****)......Shane Mosley is that dude at 147 until he loses at 147....simple!!!
                      how is mosley #1 welterweight when THE RING has pacq rated #1 and mosley #2...besides, how do you rank the P4P KING in all of boxing behind somebody else in the same division?

                      mosley had a hard time against mayorga, lost to cotto, and beat a flat footed margarito...while pac had an easy time, basically schooling delahoya, hatton, cotto, and clottey

                      i like mosley, but i dont like the fact that he struggled against mayorga and lost to cotto...thats not the kind of result that comes from a #1 ranked welterweight
                      Last edited by indystress; 03-15-2010, 01:41 PM.

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