NOBODY was concerned before

[Kalion]

Im all for it. Make it a rule though and not an exception. I just want to know where everyone who bitches about Pac not taking the test was before? I want to know why we don't hear them complaining of every other fight out there (including ones with guys who HAVE TESTED POSITIVE before) and other fighters? Why is Floyd also not doing this if he is sincere and REALLY wants to clean the sport up?

I agree it need to be in all sports, football, basket ball even soccer. I think noone was calling beacuse of how people react to such accusations. If I had made a thread a year ago about my thought that Pac would avoid drug testing if prompted to undergo random testing for the biggest fight in the history of boxing and pass up 40 mill id be labeled a fool and a hater.Dont you agree? I wouldve had no precedent to do so. But now I can use the failed comprimise between Pac and Floyd to support my stance. With great power,fame and respect come great responsibility. Pac has garned all of the aforementioned so hes a responsibility to ensure he has garned it all rightfully.Also Floyd has no power over testing for other fighters fights, but he has demanded the same test for shane who accepted with hesitation.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Something can always be done my friend. Even if its something as small as shining a spotlight on the problem. My point is, I see tons of posters blaming Pac for the implosion of thew Floyd fight, but none of these people were worried about this testing before and don't really give a **** about it happening with any other fighter. Now nobody wants to talk about this bias. Make the new test a rule and I'll back it. But to only talk about and blame one fighter when there is so much more to boxing? That I cannot accept.

The thing is, Pacquiao didn't refuse. He instead tried to weasle his way around it. He would have been MUCH better off saying NO from the start. He agreed to random urine, he agreed to 3 blood tests (Its suppose to be 3-5) and instead wanted a 24 day cutoff, Mayweather wanted to meet half way (14 days). This coming from a guy who at the very start said "I don't want to be tested the day of/ the day before the fight". I have a hard time not pointing the finger at Pacquiao. At the very start, Pacquiao and his camp agreed to the whole thing. Roach was even quoted as saying "We'll pass with flying colors".

You gotta blame the dude who didn't stay true to his words.

[JAB5239]

Because Pacquiao is a big mainstream star at this point. Most people know who he is now not just Filipinos, boxing/sports fans, but pretty much anyone with a TV. The whole steroid allegation hit mainstream news and prevented the biggest fight in decades from happening. That's why people are concerned.

I doubt most people believe Pacquaio is on something. Fans and critics were just amazed at Pacquiao's greatness and never thought of him being a cheat. What he's done is extremely rare, but not impossible. Look at what Henry Armstrong accomplished. Look at Hearns, Duran, Leonard, De la Hoya, Whitaker, and Floyd himself. They all went way above their original weight to win titles. Pac just took it one step further.

It's a myth that he's actually gotten that much bigger as well. He weighs almost the same on fight night nowadays as he did when he was fighting at 130. He just doesn't have to cut anymore weight and rehydrate before fight night. Mosley said himself that he had to lose muscle to make 147. I think Pac had to lose a lot of muscle to make 122-130.

As a fan, OST drug screens would be great for the sport, but we need to quit making allegations as fans. Let the boxing commision decide, not Mayweather. I don't think Floyd's scared and Pac has always tested clean. I doubt anyone on this forum is a doctor or expert on PEDs. All I know is that I want to see the fight happen.

Shazammm!!!! Now puff, puff pass please.

[Boxingholic]

Anyone with a bit of common sense would realized that Flyod is scared of Pac, hence his own drug testing request or no fight.
end of story.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Is it really any different? It is still being singled out. It is still unfair practice. It is still essentially pointing a finger at someone directly over nothing more than a hunch. Everyone says Manny walked away from 40 million. Right now 40 million is nothing to him. Being treated like someones *****, being dictated to, character assassination etc would make me walk, especially if I knew the other party needed me more than I needed them.

Right now if Manny agreed to those tests, passed them all with flying colors, you know what would be said? Many if not all of the accusers would be saying he is using some sort of masking agent and knows how to beat the tests. His reputation is already tarnished. He will never get that back because in the world of accusations and propaganda, he will never be able to walk out of the shadow of su****ion, tests or no tests.

Dictated? He agreed to random urine testing? So what does that tell you? He agreed to 3 blood tests and wanted a 24 day cutoff. If he didn't want to be dictated, he could have said no from the start. You know, there is pleasure in proving the accusers wrong and on top of that, possibly going out with a win.

[JAB5239]

The thing is, Pacquiao didn't refuse. He instead tried to weasle his way around it. He would have been MUCH better off saying NO from the start. He agreed to random urine, he agreed to 3 blood tests (Its suppose to be 3-5) and instead wanted a 24 day cutoff, Mayweather wanted to meet half way (14 days). This coming from a guy who at the very start said "I don't want to be tested the day of/ the day before the fight". I have a hard time not poiting the finger at Pacquiao. At the very start, Pacquiao and his camp agreed to the whole thing. Roach was even quoted as saying "We'll pass with flying colors".

You gotta blame the dude who didn't stay true to his words.

Or you can blame the guy who tried to twist Pacs arm, bend him over and slander him. Just maybe the fight gets made if Floyd doesn't act like this and try to bully Manny. Out of self pride and integrity, Manny had every right to tell Floyd to go screw. Do you not think a compromise could have been reached if Mayweather hadn't of been so brash?

[deanrw]

The thing is, Pacquiao didn't refuse. He instead tried to weasle his way around it. He would have been MUCH better off saying NO from the start. He agreed to random urine, he agreed to 3 blood tests (Its suppose to be 3-5) and instead wanted a 24 day cutoff, Mayweather wanted to meet half way (14 days). This coming from a guy who at the very start said "I don't want to be tested the day of/ the day before the fight". I have a hard time not poiting the finger at Pacquiao. At the very start, Pacquiao and his camp agreed to the whole thing. Roach was even quoted as saying "We'll pass with flying colors".

You gotta blame the dude who didn't stay true to his words.

See this is where it all gets cloudy. There are so many out there who speak for Manny. Everyone seems to have their own press line this days, especially Roach. Manny may have very well wanted to do the tests simply because he wanted a piece of Floyd. Then when he let some time go by and let it all sink in, then you have others (lawyers, advisers, Arum) in his group etc tell him their opinion etc, manny could have very well said "**** this". Roach is talking **** every single day to the media on Manny, even though the only contact he ever gets with Manny is in training camp.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Or you can blame the guy who tried to twist Pacs arm, bend him over and slander him. Just maybe the fight gets made if Floyd doesn't act like this and try to bully Manny. Out of self pride and integrity, Manny had every right to tell Floyd to go screw. Do you not think a compromise could have been reached if Mayweather hadn't of been so brash?

Honestly, I'd find that childish. That because of some insults, insults by people that aren't even taken seriously, adults can't make this HUGE fight. If Pacquiao is bothered by all that, how the hell would he deal with Mayweather during the press tour? No offense JAB, but Pacquiao had the power to put all this to rest, instead he opt to sue/ take on Clottey and leave alot of people wondering.

[deanrw]

Dictated? He agreed to random urine testing? So what does that tell you? He agreed to 3 blood tests and wanted a 24 day cutoff. If he didn't want to be dictated, he could have said no from the start. You know, there is pleasure in proving the accusers wrong and on top of that, possibly going out with a win.

That could be because a urine test is a hell of a lot less invasive than blood tests. Manny still may have been willing at first to do the blood tests, but changed his mind after others gave him their thoughts on the matter. If he was so willing at first, it is obvious to him he does not have anything to hide. Maybe he did not know all the details of the random testing at first. Maybe he is superstitious and does not like the idea of giving blood close to a fight date. We simply do not know the truth and everyone is running with speculation. The only truths right now is the fact that no matter what he does from that point forward, tests or not, he will always have that dark cloud hanging over his head simply because of the way someone accused him without any evidence at all.

[JAB5239]

I agree it need to be in all sports, football, basket ball even soccer. I think noone was calling beacuse of how people react to such accusations. If I had made a thread a year ago about my thought that Pac would avoid drug testing if prompted to undergo random testing for the biggest fight in the history of boxing and pass up 40 mill id be labeled a fool and a hater.Dont you agree? I wouldve had no precedent to do so. But now I can use the failed comprimise between Pac and Floyd to support my stance. With great power,fame and respect come great responsibility. Pac has garned all of the aforementioned so hes a responsibility to ensure he has garned it all rightfully.Also Floyd has no power over testing for other fighters fights, but he has demanded the same test for shane who accepted with hesitation.

I disagree my friend. The truest precedent to bring this up would be every fighter who had actually failed a drug test, and the facts surrounding masking agents. To me this was just a way for many (not all) Floyd fans to blame Manny for the fight not happening. Either way, Roughly 99% of boxingscene could obviously care less about OST since the only context it is talked about in is Floyd and Pac. Jmo.