NOBODY was concerned before

[Doctor_Tenma]

That could be because a urine test is a hell of a lot less invasive than blood tests. Manny still may have been willing at first to do the blood tests, but changed his mind after others gave him their thoughts on the matter. If he was so willing at first, it is obvious to him he does not have anything to hide. Maybe he did not know all the details of the random testing at first. Maybe he is superstitious and does not like the idea of giving blood close to a fight date. We simply do not know the truth and everyone is running with speculation. The only truths right now is the fact that no matter what he does from that point forward, tests or not, he will always have that dark cloud hanging over his head simply because of the way someone accused him without any evidence at all.

You fail to understand that Floyd Sr. and Roger didn't convince anyone. People (Like myself) read all the articles that came out on this subject and simply connected the dots. You can believe Floyd Sr. planted the seed all you want, but fact is, Pacquiao and his team watered it.

[JAB5239]

Honestly, I'd find that childish. That because of some insults, insults by people that aren't even taken seriously, adults can't make this HUGE fight. If Pacquiao is bothered by all that, how the hell would he deal with Mayweather during the press tour? No offense JAB, but Pacquiao had the power to put all this to rest, instead he opt to sue/ take on Clottey and leave alot of people wondering.

Ok, and Floyd had an opportunity to put all this to rest by following the rules of the NSAC and boxing's sanctioning bodies. Instead he chose to say no when his own rules were refused. Why no upheaval about that?

I was going to wait for you to answer, but I think ( I may be wrong) I know what you will say. Floyd is just trying to change boxing for the better, right? If that true why isn't he crusading to change ALL of boxing? Why not go to the commissions and sanctioning bodies?

[JAB5239]

You fail to understand that Floyd Sr. and Roger didn't convince anyone. People (Like myself) read all the articles that came out on this subject and simply connected the dots. You can believe Floyd Sr. planted the seed all you want, but fact is, Pacquiao and his team watered it.

So what are you saying my friend, by not giving in to Floyds slander and rule changes that this is his fault?

[deanrw]

You fail to understand that Floyd Sr. and Roger didn't convince anyone. People (Like myself) read all the articles that came out on this subject and simply connected the dots. You can believe Floyd Sr. planted the seed all you want, but fact is, Pacquiao and his team watered it.

They certainly did not help the situation due to their reaction, but they got stuck in a bad situation. They either agreed and allow someone to dictate to them and become their *****, or walk away and allowing the situation to fester. They did try for a go between to safe face, but that failed. The water on the seed IMO was the last minute requested enhanced random testing. Floyd Sr. Planted the initial seed, Floyd Jr and GBP then ran with it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Ok, and Floyd had an opportunity to put all this to rest by following the rules of the NSAC and boxing's sanctioning bodies. Instead he chose to say no when his own rules were refused. Why no upheaval about that?

I was going to wait for you to answer, but I think ( I may be wrong) I know what you will say. Floyd is just trying to change boxing for the better, right? If that true why isn't he crusading to change ALL of boxing? Why not go to the commissions and sanctioning bodies?

Honestly, no I wasn't gonna say that

Mayweather may only be in it to assure his safety or maybe clean up the sport; we don't know. Maybe he's a little skeptical of Pacquiao and he has his reasons. But fact is, regardless of what Mayweather is in it for, he'd still be contributing to the cleanliness of Boxing. So only good comes out of this.

[Doctor_Tenma]

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So what are you saying my friend, by not giving in to Floyds slander and rule changes that this is his fault?

I'm saying Pacquiao and his team went back on their word alot. The lies/ contradictions were easy to spot.

[JAB5239]

Honestly, no I wasn't gonna say that

Lol, fair enough, I took a shot!

Mayweather may only be in it to assure his safety or maybe clean up the sport; we don't know. Maybe he's a little skeptical of Pacquiao and he has his reasons. But fact is, regardless of what Mayweather is in it for, he'd still be contributing to the cleanliness of Boxing. So only good comes out of this.

Only good comes out of this if it effects boxing as a whole. If its just a way to give another prima donna boxer what he wants when he wants, it really hasn't done anything but hold up or prevent a huge fight from happening. Im hoping it will effect boxing as a whole, but Im skeptical.

[deanrw]

Honestly, no I wasn't gonna say that

Mayweather may only be in it to assure his safety or maybe clean up the sport; we don't know. Maybe he's a little skeptical of Pacquiao and he has his reasons. But fact is, regardless of what Mayweather is in it for, he'd still be contributing to the cleanliness of Boxing. So only good comes out of this.

In the end yes, but they still went about it the wrong way big time. The route they took, the seeds they planted, all started with a direct pointed finger to a specific individual. We don't have to look far to see the effect it has had. Look at how many in here blatantly accuse Manny of being a cheater simply because of some actions and inactions, that may well have happened due to clashing egos.

[JAB5239]

I'm saying Pacquiao and his team went back on their word alot. The lies/ contradictions were easy to spot.

But do you not think a compromise could have been reached had Floyd been more professional about this and not kept slandering Pac? Personally I do, but who knows now that this **** has been so twisted up?

[paulf]

In a sport full of dopers and cheats, you can't blame Floyd for simply requesting a fair shake. Floyd is not a psychic, and did not read Pac's mind and discover that he would turn down the fight if he had to give blood less than 24 days before a fight.

Get ****ing real.

The more drug testing the better. Now I don't think Pac is on anything at all, but if he's unwilling to agree to ANY drug test, he should get out of the sport before he tarnishes his legacy any further.