NOBODY was concerned before

[S.G.]

***** talk, "it has to start somewhere".

I wouldn't call that "***** talk" (grow up, by the way); I'd call it common sense...

Well, in this instance, it started with that particular fight and became the standard for everyone who fights in Nevada under 147 but above 135.

Its not the rule for just one guy or his fights.

Yet it was at it's time of conception. It's conception that Arum and friends were responsible for - not the all-mighty NSAC.

Thats where the problem starts with Floyd and his "cleaning up the sport" talk.

The only problems is that certain boxers do not want to be tested for PEDs. I wonder why that is?

If you want to ask questions about Pac, I have a question for you.

Why didn't Floyd start this crusade as his professional career began? According to him, his father and uncle, they know the ins and outs of the sport since they've been involved with it for over 4 decades. Why not spearhead the movement with his entire career as a showcase for how its to be done in the proper manner? Why wait until someone just as good, or better physically, with better achievements ,comes along to start this whole, "the sport is dirty and we're going to clean it up"?

- He has only recently come into a position where he has the pull to make requests such as this.
- He suspects Pacquiao specifically of being on illegal performance enhancing drugs.

Why does he suspect Pacquiao specifically? Why does it matter?

[AKATheMack]

So why are you in this thread? And actually it was Pacquiao who walked away from the fight and my whole argument of these past few pages are that he is accountable for that; and that it implies he probably is on illegal PEDs.

My stance is that Pacquiao was willing to take additional tests than are required and is being criticized for it. Mayweather botched this fight Manny was willing to go further than required by the rules in place.
If you don't care about the rules why are you investing so much into defending the NSAC's? I'd just like to know why you consider them to be infallible and ununsurpassable when it comes to this?

I think fighters shouldnt be allowed to make up rules as they go along and those who try to enforce their beliefs on everyone are subject to criticism.
That resolves the possibility that Pacquiao and other boxers are on PEDs how again?
Not fighting Pac proved what exactly?
Yes see, as has been explained to you many times by many different people, it is actually not very simple.

The testing issue is simple its been simple enough for every fight up this point to get finalized at this point its being over complicated. How does an issue suddenly become a deal breaker after all this time? Just curious.
I know, walking away from drug testing and still having people believe you're clean is. The world sucks huh?

Just because I believe Floyd is worng doesnt mean I support Manny stance.

[S.G.]

I have no idea, he should just shut up and take the tests. You also fail to understand that if the different rules are agreed upon by all parties then I have no problem with changing them. Floyd doesnt want rules everyone agrees to he wants what he wants and refuses to fight unless he gets it. Much different.

Yeah, and do you see what the difference is between the two scenarios you outlined? Manny Pacquiao.

Which brings me back to, why did Pacquiao refuse to take the tests?

[S.G.]

My stance is that Pacquiao was willing to take additional tests than are required and is being criticized for it. Mayweather botched this fight Manny was willing to go further than required by the rules in place.

More than the NSAC want, but not enough to actually mean anything. That's why he's recieving some criticism (not nearly enough though).

I think fighters shouldnt be allowed to make up rules as they go along and those who try to enforce their beliefs on everyone are subject to criticism.

Why not, when the rules they are making up are better than the NSAC's?

The testing issue is simple its been simple enough for every fight up this point to get finalized at this point its being over complicated. How does an issue suddenly become a deal breaker after all this time? Just curious.

Maybe because of Manny Pacquiao's reaction to the request of tests? Yeah, nothing helps calm your mind like the guy you suspect to be on PEDs.....refusing to be tested properly? Then lying about why he refused on several different occasions?

Just because I believe Floyd is worng doesnt mean I support Manny stance.

Out of interest; do you think Manny Pacquiao is on illegal PEDs? Did you find his seemingly out-of-the-left-field massive adverse reaction to the possibility of taking top quality anti-doping tests su****ious?

[Eaner0919]

It doesn't matter since when.

Its the rule now.

actually bro gotta disagree with you on this

It does matter when

why?

because this rule was made primarily off of the stipulation Team Cotto asked for in order to make this fight happen in Vegas

he specifically wanted to fight in 8oz gloves if he had to fight in Vegas. Arum petitioned NSAC for a meeting on this so he could ensure Cotto he could fight in 8oz gloves. NSAC allowed this stipulation to happen and off of that rethought their ruling about fights 135lbs and above

I know all about this because I ran the Leavander Johnson auction over at MaxBoxin when he passed and this rule came about over his death

[JAB5239]

actually bro gotta disagree with you on this

It does matter when

why?

because this rule was made primarily off of the stipulation Team Cotto asked for in order to make this fight happen in Vegas

he specifically wanted to fight in 8oz gloves if he had to fight in Vegas. Arum petitioned NSAC for a meeting on this so he could ensure Cotto he could fight in 8oz gloves. NSAC allowed this stipulation to happen and off of that rethought their ruling about fights 135lbs and above

I know all about this because I ran the Leavander Johnson auction over at MaxBoxin when he passed and this rule came about over his death

I've missed a lot of posts and have just breezed over them since getting back online. But if this is about a comparison in changing rules I just want to note that Arum went through the right channels to make this occur.

[Eaner0919]

I've missed a lot of posts and have just breezed over them since getting back online. But if this is about a comparison in changing rules I just want to note that Arum went through the right channels to make this occur.

but what I don't get is why that matters? BOTH came off of stipulations at a fighter's request no?

also Arum knew there was no way Cotto or Margarito would fight in Vegas without the use of 8oz gloves so he had the rule amended. He did what he had to do andit paid off.

Now in regards to Mayweather's stipulation

where in NSAC rules does it state that fighters can only take their testing?

"An unarmed combatant shall submit to a urinalysis or chemical test before or after a contest or exhibition if the Commission or a representative of the Commission directs him to do so."

so if I am not mistaken it is really up to the Comission's discretion to test or not to test judging by their own rules

and if this was such a major issue why then did NSAC allow this stipulation to even happen if they were staunchly against Mayweather going against their own rules?

whether it was done through them or without NSAC really had no issue with OST other than they felt their testing would suffice. Had they been that confident in it couldn't they stand their ground?

in both cases they knew their own rulebook isn't without fault and either amended or allowed fights to go on inspite of their own rules being bypassed or foced to be amended

[Ryannn]

the sickening part about this is that those who say that they support this cause they want to clean up the sport only get pissed at one guy who wasn't even required to go through with it in the first place.

if they really want boxing to be clean, they would criticize the commissions for not implementing the best testing method. if they really cared, they would push for stricter testing for the entire sport.

they would rather take away all credit from someone who has done nothing but good for the sport, just because their favorite fighter isn't considered the best anymore...

[JAB5239]

but what I don't get is why that matters? BOTH came off of stipulations at a fighter's request no?

True. But if you don't go through the commission and a fighter decides it isn't fair, he doesn't like it, whatever, the fight can still go on because it isn't an official ruling. If it becomes an official ruling and terms are not agreed to the fight not only HAS to be canceled but the fighter backing out has flagrantly thumbed his nose at the rules. Just my opinion but I think it matters.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Read the last few pages. One thing is clear.

Jab atleast can hold his own. But Tortilla Warrior is a troll. My god man.