NOBODY was concerned before

[Calilloyd]

what about prior clean tests? He has passed every test hes been required to take and I believe that is more proof than there is proof saying hes guilty. So again you my friend are wrong.

Does that apply to Shane Mosley too? Ooops.

[S.G.]

Since the boxers are fighting in their states perhaps?

Its funny though,

many are calling for the commissions authority to come into play and ban Margarito,

but when it comes to having authority over someone like Floyd,

suddenly,

the commissions are worthless.

They are not "worthless", but their rules are not the be all and end all and never have been. Even their own former administrators have more or less admitted the testing they have in place in insuffient and the bare minimum.

For an example of your own example bypassing the NSAC's rules, how about the NSAC official size of welterweight gloves? Margarito, Cotto and Arum all decided that they knew better than the NSAC and decided to make the fight with 8 oz gloves instead of 10 oz gloves.

They are both asking for additional stipulations than are required by the Commissions. The Commissions make the rules its the same in every sport, NFL, MLB, NBA whatever. Your job as a boxer is to box if you want to clean up the sport and change the rules become a Commissioner. Dont deprive me of seeing a fight because you feel the need to do the Commissions job.

And you would rather deprive the boxers their own (more important right) to a clean opponent just for your own convenience and entertainment?

And I thought it was common knowledge that boxing is run in a completely different way to the other sports you mentioned? You know, the fractured authority, etc. that several Pacquiao apologists used on here to flesh out their arguments against "Olympic Style Testing" a few months ago?

[Calilloyd]

So a passed drug test isnt sufficient proof that you're clean? I mean unless we have these boxers under 24/7 surveillance there is no absolute proof of anything.

Under the current standards for testing? No. I think that's pretty obvious.

[AKATheMack]

During negotiations where the other guy is asking for rules that aren't in place, your comment is highly irrelevant.

If the fight had fallen apart over Mannys stipulations its his fault, they didnt. They fell apart over Floyds stipulations, therefore its his fault

The rules aren't sufficient enough for Pacquiao either. Should he retire too?

All big name fighters make their own rules during negotiations. Let's grow up and stop acting like everything is ironclad in a sport with no oversight.

Big difference being Pacs rules weren't deal breakers. I have no problem with fighters asking for extra stipulations as long as they are prepared to take criticism if their extra stipulations deny fans of a mega fight. Anytime the requests become demands then its a problem.

[S.G.]

If the rules weren't sufficient for him maybe he should have stayed retired. He wouldnt be a the first boxer or athlete to have to face someone on unnatural substances its an occupational hazard if he doesnt like it maybe he needs to find new work.

And you're okay with that? Wow.

[Calilloyd]

Does anyone remember Pac wanting to fight Paulie.

The guy who "slandered" him way worse then any of the Mayweathers did.

I do. I also find it strange that Paulie is not included in the lawsuit.

[IMDAZED]

If the fight had fallen apart over Mannys stipulations its his fault, they didnt. They fell apart over Floyds stipulations, therefore its his fault

In a vacuum, this sort of reasoning makes sense. In the real world, we ask the question why. Floyd asked therefore it's his fault is illogical. Not everything occurs in a vacuum.

Big difference being Pacs rules weren't deal breakers. I have no problem with fighters asking for extra stipulations as long as they are prepared to take criticism if their extra stipulations deny fans of a mega fight. Anytime the requests become demands then its a problem.

See the above.

[AKATheMack]

They are not "worthless", but their rules are not the be all and end all and never have been. Even their own former administrators have more or less admitted the testing they have in place in insuffient and the bare minimum.

For an example of your own example bypassing the NSAC's rules, how about the NSAC official size of welterweight gloves? Margarito, Cotto and Arum all decided that they knew better than the NSAC and decided to make the fight with 8 oz gloves instead of 10 oz gloves.



And you would rather deprive the boxers their own (more important right) to a clean opponent just for your own convenience and entertainment?

And I thought it was common knowledge that boxing is run in a completely different way to the other sports you mentioned? You know, the fractured authority, etc. that several Pacquiao apologists used on here to flesh out their arguments against "Olympic Style Testing" a few months ago?

100% I just want to see the best face the best. Im out for my entertainment which is why you'll never see me jocking any fighter this is about my entertainment I dont deny that at all. There is testing in place at what point is enough enough? I spar at the gym should I also demand blood tests before getting in the ring? Just because you want something doesnt mean you get it. Life sucks that way.

[S.G.]

If the fight had fallen apart over Mannys stipulations its his fault, they didnt. They fell apart over Floyds stipulations, therefore its his fault

This is such an obtuse way to look at it. Not everything in the world is black and white. Especially not in the world of boxing.

Big difference being Pacs rules weren't deal breakers.

Floyd's "rules" were only a deal breaker because Pacquiao seemingly has something to hide. If Pacquiao had just accepted without all the fuss he made then this stuff would have been one three page thread on boxingscene and we'd have already seen Mayweather v Pacquiao and forgotten all about the OST.

[Vasyl’s dad]

They are not "worthless", but their rules are not the be all and end all and never have been. Even their own former administrators have more or less admitted the testing they have in place in insuffient and the bare minimum.

For an example of your own example bypassing the NSAC's rules, how about the NSAC official size of welterweight gloves? Margarito, Cotto and Arum all decided that they knew better than the NSAC and decided to make the fight with 8 oz gloves instead of 10 oz gloves.

I'm not saying they're worthless.

I'm echoing the sentiment of many a Floyd stan as of late.

In regards to the gloves,

thats well within the rules defined by the NSAC.

Question: What are the gloves sizes based on the boxer/kickboxer's weight?



Answer: Athletes (boxers/kickboxers) weighing-in up to and including 135 pounds must wear 8 oz. gloves in competition, while athletes weighing-in over 135 pounds (junior welterweight class and above) must wear 10 oz. gloves in competition. However, athletes weighing in over 135 but not more than 147 pounds may wear 8 ounce gloves in competition if both athletes agree to do so in writing.

Its not bypassing any rules when its clearly within the rules as defined by the NSAC.



You're gonna have to try again.