i want to try something.

[boxer2k5]

LMAO, TS have is own agenda. Good luck, a will let the *******s come in, **** your thread up!

why you leaving you didnt reply to everything i said.

you mention diego being draind yet he was in that division for 3 more years fighting for the title. and yes oscar was shot against floyd and manny but oscar made demands which made it a little easier. while manny fought a over weight drained oscar. am i wrong?

[boxer2k5]

im confused with the question at hand...nevertheless, fans from both sides are trying to dicredit Floyd and Pac

the question im really trying to ask is. Is it more important that you just beat already esablished fighters even tho they arent the same fighters they once was? compared to a career of tough guys even tho they werent as esablished but still tough and champions.

[ummeed]

All Floyd has to do is pass his 1st random drug test for the Mosley fight & his legacy will be better than Pacs.

yes, beating a 39 yr old punchdrunk (alzheimer kickin in?) boxer would really do wonders for his resume...

[Spray_resistant]

thats what you saying but explain why? is your point because manny fought bigger names? but those guys have established names dont mean they were the same fighters.

I would agree now too that Pac's res >>>>>>>>Floyd's at this point.

Why? the circumstances

Pac beat Hatton at his best weight and in devastating fashion.

Pac beat Cotto, a win that if Floyd had now would be the best on his record.

No matter who you think won both fights with JMM, whether fans remember great fights or not is something that is attached to a fighter's resume.

I can't think of 1 really great fight Floyd has had that make ppl really love the sport even if he is a master tactician.

[boxer2k5]

yes manny has fought the bigger names atg in their own right. but the fact is when manny beat them they all are past their best. with exception of JMM. manny is a product of carefull matchmaking and timing.

do you give oscar credit for beating chavez? do you give holmes credit for beating ali?
do you give think everyone who beats roy jones now gets same credit as if u beat him 5 6 years ago?

[Rocky!]

All Floyd has to do is pass his 1st random drug test for the Mosley fight & his legacy will be better than Pacs.

Floyd stans are desperate
you'd rather Pac be dirty
then no fight, just more fantasy ****
Floyd needs to beat both guys
if he does he's the man, nobody can deny it then
until then, Pac>Floyd, cry me a river

thats what you saying but explain why? is your point because manny fought bigger names? but those guys have established names dont mean they were the same fighters.

look at accomplishments + names behind them
Pac's big 3 (Erik II, MAB I, JMM I + 2) beats Floyd's res
toss out D Diaz, just a paper belt
the rest of Pac's big wins are money, 4 lineals included
not that Floyd's aren't, Pac's are just better

[Bennett]

floyd mayweather jr 40-0-25kos

titles held

wbc super featherweight
wbc lightweight
wbc junior welterweight
ibf welterweight
ibo welterweight
wbc welterweight
wbc junior middleweight

floyd stops genaro hernandez in his first title fight
after being pro for 2 years and 18 fights. that was

genaro 2nd lost his first to oscar 3 years prior.

hernendez was the lineal 2 time champion at super

feather. mayweather would defend his title 9 times
against the likes of angel man fredy diego corrales
(who was 33-0 27kos and go on to have some great
bouts)jesus chavez(he would go on and win jr
lightweight and lightweight titles in great matches)
and winning in dramatic fashion.

mayweather would then step up and fight the lineal
champion jose luis castillo. mayweather fights a tough close battle and in rematch easily outpoints the former champion. he defends the title again
against sosa which was an exciting fight and then
goes up aianst phillip ndou who was 31-1 30kos. floyd

would go on and put a highlight reel performance floyd moves up to jr welterweight. some question his
fights with chop chop demarcus corley and henry
bruseles yet they were wbc title eliminators. which
leads him to the wbc champion autro gatti. mayweather
never defended or fought the lineal champion kotza
tyszu but he would beat the man who retired him
later.

floyd moves up to welter and stops sharmba mitchell
and sets up a big mega fight with super zab judah.
judah loses his tune up fight against carlos
baldomir. floyd still goes on to fight judah wins an
easy UD for the vacent IBO and IBF welterweight
titles. he would then go on to fight carlos baldomir
who may not have been a big name and was seen as a
tune up for judah but was still the LINEAL champion
at welterweight. floyd would go on aand win the wbc
welterweight title, ibo welterweight title and the
iba welterweight title.

floyd would then again go up for the biggest boxing
match in history of the sport to beat oscar dela hoya
for the wbc jr middleweight championship. he would
never defend the title but go down to face undefeated
lineal jr welterweight ricky the hitman hatton

champion at welterweight. after knocking hatton out

in 10 floyd mayweather would a close to 2 year break

only to return to take on ranked number 2 P4P manny
pacquiaos rival juan manuel marquez. mayweather would
go on to make the great mexican boxer look like an
amature when he easily beat him over 12 rounds.

id like to start off with genaro hernandez. this was
is last fight and only 2nd lost of his career. he was
the legit champion and even if slightly past his
prime was still fighting at champion level. his only
lsot was to oscar de la hoya 3 years prior. and
mayweather was only fighting for 2 years in his 18th
bout. boxers now fight for titles at 30 bouts.

angel manfredy who was a b level fighter but yet
still worthy of floyds first title defense. floyd
punch and stop him in 2 rounds
corrales was a monster when floyd fought him he was
knocking everyone out 6 foot young never been beat
never been down. some thought was too much for little
floyd. mayweather would demolish him dropping him 5
times. chico still went on to do great things and big

wins showing thatfloyd didnt beat him when he was at
end of career or at his worse. floytd was just that
much better.

same with jesus chavez would go on to do big things
but was no match for floyd mayweather
again castillo. can make a case he could have won the
first fight against an injured floyd. but floyd
showed when times are tough he could dig deep down
and brawl smart and win the close bout. he proved the
first was no fluke by beating castillo much easier.

some may dismiss ndou because he wasnt a household
name. but he was a monster up n comming in that
division. and floyd picked him apart. ndou was like
5'10 31-1 with 30 knockouts. throwing 100 punchs at
floyd. chop chop at the time was a tough champion contender
now he is a tomato can but this is 04 and only losing
2 bouts prior 1 to judah. chop chop would go on to
win the wbo title after losing to floyd for 2nd time.

arturo gatti nothing much to say here floyd was going
to beat him up no matter what. shuld fought tyzu
instead. sharmaba mitchell another fighter lik chop chop
gatekeeper. floyds first fight at welterweight stops
him

zab judah was still dangerous at the time. i thought
he won the baldomir fight he was still fast and
strong his lost took lil steam off the floyd fight
and his actions during and after made it worse. he
would go and do nice winning 3 out of 4 rounds and
then got beat up. baldomir another guy who wasnt a big name so people
discredit this win was the legit champion beat judah
knocked out gatti and brought floyd alot of money and
the lineal welterweight title.


oscar de la hoya wasnt in his prime but made every
demand and floyd agreed. the weight the gloves the
ring the money. everything to compensate that he wasnt at his best.
floyd IMO won easy didnt even go
2nd gear i didnt give oscar nomore than 4 rounds at
best.

ricky hatton was undefeated was still lineal champion
at 140 and 2 division champion. floyd would beat his
ass. and JMM people say he too small yet he bigger than
manny and is like on equal terms with manny
and its ok for manny to fight floyd or anyone else to

fight manny yet marquez was too small. the fact is
mayweather didnt even use size against JMM he beat
him with skill speed and accuracy. theres no doubt
that floyd would have beat JMM at 130 135 140 doesnt
matter.

so the question i ask now is because a fight fought
bigger names but not at the best of their career is
that actually better than fighting tough guys
throughout your career and beating the real champion
of the divions?

Im gonna have to go and say---FRAT

[boxer2k5]

I would agree now too that Pac's res >>>>>>>>Floyd's at this point.

Why? the circumstances

Pac beat Hatton at his best weight and in devastating fashion.

Pac beat Cotto, a win that if Floyd had now would be the best on his record.

No matter who you think won both fights with JMM, whether fans remember great fights or not is something that is attached to a fighter's resume.

I can't think of 1 really great fight Floyd has had that make ppl really love the sport even if he is a master tactician.

ithanks for your post. and alot of casual fans wont be attracted to floyds style. as good as james toney and pernell you didnt see people who really didnt watch boxing say man i love james toney i love jimmy young i love me some sweet pea. no they loved the oscar the manny the tyson because of their styles. and yeah manny beat hatton at the weight he was best at but hatton was done by then. he was getting slaped around by lacunzo and didnt follow his corners gameplan i mean its not manny fault but its a reaosn why they took the fight. i dont blame anything on manny i just wan the ppl to reconize he isnt all that. 90% of his biggest wins can have an * on it.

and he beat cotto yes at a catchweight and after cotto been mentally broken new trainer with no experience again not manny fault but not the same cotto that was pre antonio.

thats lik saying roy was the same post ruiz as pre ruiz

[boxer2k5]

Floyd stans are desperate
you'd rather Pac be dirty
then no fight, just more fantasy ****
Floyd needs to beat both guys
if he does he's the man, nobody can deny it then
until then, Pac>Floyd, cry me a river



look at accomplishments + names behind them
Pac's big 3 (Erik II, MAB I, JMM I + 2) beats Floyd's res
toss out D Diaz, just a paper belt
the rest of Pac's big wins are money, 4 lineals included
not that Floyd's aren't, Pac's are just better

one of the lineal was barerra and he wasnt even a champion he was named lineal before the fight lol and erik was done he already lost to zaheir before his rematch with manny he lost to barerra before the first manny fight. he was already becomming wasted. he lost to raheem mannyx2 and then david diaz. u telling me he was still at his best?

[boxer2k5]

Im gonna have to go and say---FRAT

i dont even know what that mean