i want to try something.

[boxer2k5]

i only want to talk about facts and real boxing fans. please dont come making up **** and posting dumb ****. i really wanted to sit down and compare opponents and careers of manny and floyd. try not to be biased period and im not counting those ****** side belts either. if i was wrong about something please just mention it i did this half off my head and the half i research to get the details on what i couldnt remember.

now is fighting big names(more known more establisbed) even tho they are at end of careers better than a career of tough young and legit champions even tho some arent household names?

manny pacquiao 50-338kos 2 draws

titles held
wbc flyweight
ibf super bantam
ringside feather?
super feather wbc international super feather?
wbc super feather
wbc lightweight
ibo junior welter?
wbo welter

he beats chatchai sasakul 2 defenses before he got knocked out by medgoen 3K battery at flyweight

he moves up and beats lehlohonolo ledwaba for ibf super bantam title.

he moves up and fights marco antonio barerra in 2003
ring decided to crown manny as champion of division.
manny then went on to fight juan manuel marquez who was the wba and ibf champion yet ring made manny the champion? the fight was a draw.

manny goes up and fights erik morales who just prior lost to marco antonio barerra for the wbc super featherweight title. manny and erik fought for 3 vacent titles i guess bob arum put up some money to get all the little side belts.
(vacant WBC international super featherweight title
vacant international boxing association super featherweight title
vacant IBA super featherweight title)

morales even tho comming off a lose to the guy manny
demolished was still able to oubox and beat the bloody manny pacquiao. manny then goes on to fight
hector velazquez? for the vcaent wbc international super featherweight title( didnt fight erik for that belt and lost? arum really wants manny to be a champion)wins. he is now set to fight erik morales for the 2nd time even tho morales just lost a lopsided decision to zahir raheem. manny stops erik in the 10th. he then goes on to beat oscar larios and fights morales for the third time stopping him in the 3rd. everytime manny fought mrales he was comming off a lose this time manny was the man to beat him before and after the fight. morales lost his last 4 fights of his career. he then goes on to fight barerra for the 2nd time who just lost a lopsided decision to juan marquez. manny would go on and beat barerra setting up the long awaited rematch between himself and marquez. manny would finally win a real belt by beating marquez by a point for the wbc super featherweight title. i had manny winning by a point as well.

manny goes up fights david diaz for the wbc lightweight title dont need to say anything else about that lol.

manny goes up and fights oscar de la hoya who came in weighing 145 and 147 on the night of the fight and was battered over 8 rounds. then challenges the IBO and lineal junior welterweight champion ricky hatton who was knocked out 2 years prior at the hands of floyd mayweather junior. then challenges and defeats WBO welterweight champion 2 division champion miguel cotto.

i want to start off with barerra. who by that time barerra was pro for 14 years just 5 years prior all anaylst was saying his career was over until he went to war with morales but he then went on to beat prince naseem morales tapia before losing to young
barerra wasnt a champion in the division marquez held the main titles and manny fought to a draw with him
so manny never won a title at 126

everytime manny fought erik morales was comming off a lose. turned pro in 93 and lost his last 4 fights of his career 2 from manny pacquiao. which shows how much el terrible had left in his tank.

manny went life and death 2 times with juan manuel marquez. i thought manny won both fights by a point. they was close could went either way depending on whos judging. 1 draw 1 win against JMM

barerra was done in his rematch with manny just losing bad to marquez. he had nothing left.

david diaz well its david diaz lol

oscar was badly drained fighting at a weight he hasnt made in almost 10 years. so dehydrated he could only gain 2 pounds overnigth and thats thru IV. he was a zombie come fight night and i believe anyone in top 25 from 130 to 147 would have stoped oscar that night unless they did the same to make weight.

ricky hatton almost was stoped against lucanzo was knocked out by mayweather bad habits outside the ring and drama during his camp. went in not following gameplan and was knocked out. some was telling him to retire 2 years ago after losing to floyd.

and manny last win against miguel cotto the who was broken and battered by margirtio who most suspect cheated. miguel seem to never recovered and had big trouble against clotty while escaping with a win he goes in against manny. with a new inexperienced training and the beating he suffered in back of his head everyone even roach teddy atlas to emmanuel stewart said cotto was shot before the fight.

so the only champion manny fought not old drained shot and was elite was marquez? thats the question i pose.

[Spray_resistant]

TS, there is one 1 place you can get an unbiased neutral convo on this forum free from flaming and fantasy.

[boxer2k5]

floyd mayweather jr 40-0-25kos

titles held

wbc super featherweight
wbc lightweight
wbc junior welterweight
ibf welterweight
ibo welterweight
wbc welterweight
wbc junior middleweight

floyd stops genaro hernandez in his first title fight
after being pro for 2 years and 18 fights. that was

genaro 2nd lost his first to oscar 3 years prior.

hernendez was the lineal 2 time champion at super

feather. mayweather would defend his title 9 times
against the likes of angel man fredy diego corrales
(who was 33-0 27kos and go on to have some great
bouts)jesus chavez(he would go on and win jr
lightweight and lightweight titles in great matches)
and winning in dramatic fashion.

mayweather would then step up and fight the lineal
champion jose luis castillo. mayweather fights a tough close battle and in rematch easily outpoints the former champion. he defends the title again
against sosa which was an exciting fight and then
goes up aianst phillip ndou who was 31-1 30kos. floyd

would go on and put a highlight reel performance floyd moves up to jr welterweight. some question his
fights with chop chop demarcus corley and henry
bruseles yet they were wbc title eliminators. which
leads him to the wbc champion autro gatti. mayweather
never defended or fought the lineal champion kotza
tyszu but he would beat the man who retired him
later.

floyd moves up to welter and stops sharmba mitchell
and sets up a big mega fight with super zab judah.
judah loses his tune up fight against carlos
baldomir. floyd still goes on to fight judah wins an
easy UD for the vacent IBO and IBF welterweight
titles. he would then go on to fight carlos baldomir
who may not have been a big name and was seen as a
tune up for judah but was still the LINEAL champion
at welterweight. floyd would go on aand win the wbc
welterweight title, ibo welterweight title and the
iba welterweight title.

floyd would then again go up for the biggest boxing
match in history of the sport to beat oscar dela hoya
for the wbc jr middleweight championship. he would
never defend the title but go down to face undefeated
lineal jr welterweight ricky the hitman hatton

champion at welterweight. after knocking hatton out

in 10 floyd mayweather would a close to 2 year break

only to return to take on ranked number 2 P4P manny
pacquiaos rival juan manuel marquez. mayweather would
go on to make the great mexican boxer look like an
amature when he easily beat him over 12 rounds.

id like to start off with genaro hernandez. this was
is last fight and only 2nd lost of his career. he was
the legit champion and even if slightly past his
prime was still fighting at champion level. his only
lsot was to oscar de la hoya 3 years prior. and
mayweather was only fighting for 2 years in his 18th
bout. boxers now fight for titles at 30 bouts.

angel manfredy who was a b level fighter but yet
still worthy of floyds first title defense. floyd
punch and stop him in 2 rounds
corrales was a monster when floyd fought him he was
knocking everyone out 6 foot young never been beat
never been down. some thought was too much for little
floyd. mayweather would demolish him dropping him 5
times. chico still went on to do great things and big

wins showing thatfloyd didnt beat him when he was at
end of career or at his worse. floytd was just that
much better.

same with jesus chavez would go on to do big things
but was no match for floyd mayweather
again castillo. can make a case he could have won the
first fight against an injured floyd. but floyd
showed when times are tough he could dig deep down
and brawl smart and win the close bout. he proved the
first was no fluke by beating castillo much easier.

some may dismiss ndou because he wasnt a household
name. but he was a monster up n comming in that
division. and floyd picked him apart. ndou was like
5'10 31-1 with 30 knockouts. throwing 100 punchs at
floyd. chop chop at the time was a tough champion contender
now he is a tomato can but this is 04 and only losing
2 bouts prior 1 to judah. chop chop would go on to
win the wbo title after losing to floyd for 2nd time.

arturo gatti nothing much to say here floyd was going
to beat him up no matter what. shuld fought tyzu
instead. sharmaba mitchell another fighter lik chop chop
gatekeeper. floyds first fight at welterweight stops
him

zab judah was still dangerous at the time. i thought
he won the baldomir fight he was still fast and
strong his lost took lil steam off the floyd fight
and his actions during and after made it worse. he
would go and do nice winning 3 out of 4 rounds and
then got beat up. baldomir another guy who wasnt a big name so people
discredit this win was the legit champion beat judah
knocked out gatti and brought floyd alot of money and
the lineal welterweight title.


oscar de la hoya wasnt in his prime but made every
demand and floyd agreed. the weight the gloves the
ring the money. everything to compensate that he wasnt at his best.
floyd IMO won easy didnt even go
2nd gear i didnt give oscar nomore than 4 rounds at
best.

ricky hatton was undefeated was still lineal champion
at 140 and 2 division champion. floyd would beat his
ass. and JMM people say he too small yet he bigger than
manny and is like on equal terms with manny
and its ok for manny to fight floyd or anyone else to

fight manny yet marquez was too small. the fact is
mayweather didnt even use size against JMM he beat
him with skill speed and accuracy. theres no doubt
that floyd would have beat JMM at 130 135 140 doesnt
matter.

so the question i ask now is because a fight fought
bigger names but not at the best of their career is
that actually better than fighting tough guys
throughout your career and beating the real champion
of the divions?

[-Rab]

It was also the first MAB fight which is the best win in his resume.

[boxer2k5]

It was also the first MAB fight which is the best win in his resume.

thats the fight that blew him up.

[Piper the Great]

imho you my friend are trying to hard.

[boxer2k5]

no harm in trying. trying to get people a better perspective than just word of mouth. start talking and discussing with facts and logic and really compairing whats on paper. and no trying to debate based off your heart and use your brains

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Pacquiao>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Floyd in accomplishments and resume.


Floyd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pacquiao in skill and I thin in a head to head match

[boxer2k5]

Pacquiao>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Floyd in accomplishments and resume.


Floyd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pacquiao in skill and I thin in a head to head match

and your reasons why? is it because the guys manny fought had bigger names and acomplishments in their own rights? but for manny to get that dont you agree he needed to beat them at their best to gain that?

[jrosales13]

So i don't understand you argument... Are you saying Pac did not beat realy champs and Floyd did?