Comments Thread For: Roach: Shane Mosley Has Trouble With Speed/Movement

[jrosales13]

no he does not know whos nino and pep are,and you can see that by what he saids.

I don't think he has, I was hoping he can respond but he hasn't so far. Floyd is a defensive fighter, very skilled fighter, but he is clearly not in the top 3. I wouldn't even say he is in the top 5. And, you can make a case that he is not even in the top 10. Now I am not saying he does not belong in the top 10. What I am saying is that you can make a case for the 10 guys I mentioned in my previous post to beign higher than him.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I don't think he has, I was hoping he can respond but he hasn't so far. Floyd is a defensive fighter, very skilled fighter, but he is clearly not in the top 3. I wouldn't even say he is in the top 5. And, you can make a case that he is not even in the top 10. Now I am not saying he does not belong in the top 10. What I am saying is that you can make a case for the 10 guys I mentioned in my previous post to beign higher than him.

atg all around were do you rank mayweather?and how do you see this fight playing out?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

When you start ranking ATG, then you take into account skills, resume, accomplishments, and the era they fought in. All that goes into account when you're doing an ATG list.

Now if you wan't to do a pure ATG list on just pure defense wise. Then that is fine too but, Floyd is not in the top 3. I don't know how anybody can say his defense is better than Whitaker, Pep, or Locche. When Whitaker didn't want to get hit he didn't get hit.

I am pretty sure you know who Locche and Per are. And, you might might not have seen any footage of them. If you have then we just have to agree to disagree on this one if think Floyd is better than them. But, if you haven't seen any footage on them then look them up. If you love defense like I do. You would really enjoy them...

Jro. No just no.

You cant have Manny as the GREATEST Number 2. Lefty.


Then say that Floyd for just his defense skills isnt a Top 10 fighter. How did you come up with that. You dont think Floyd has good defense? Hes rarely hit. Ever. He doesnt even have to throw punches to beat people.

Hes the best defensive fighter ever IMO. Ill make a Top 10 if need be real quick.

[MASSMAN]

All fighters have trouble with speed/movement, even Floyd!

Floyd for the first time in his career is fighting someone who has speed and can utilize movement as well. Shane will not come right at Floyd. Shane and ****m know what type of game plan will be successful against Floyd and coming right at Floyd is not the game plan you want to use. You have to box Floyd early, utilize good head movement and counter his counter punches and move in and out. When Floyd throws his jab to the stomach, Shane will counter over top of that with over hand rights. After a few right hands, Floyd wont be throwing that left jab to the body. This will be the key for victory for Shane. Over hand right, step the side, then come back with a left hook and back out again. Flody wont know what him and Shane will then be out of ranger to receive any of Floyd quick shots.

[jrosales13]

Jro. No just no.

You cant have Manny as the GREATEST Number 2. Lefty.


Then say that Floyd for just his defense isnt a Top 10 fighter. How did you come up with that. You dont think Floyd has good defense? Hes rarely hit. Ever. He doesnt even have to throw punches to beat people.

Hes the best defensive fighter ever IMO. Ill make a Top 10 if need be real quick.

So not having Floyd in the top 10? which I never said that he was not top 10. But, I just play along not having him in the top 10 is somehow saying I don't think he has good defense? But, yet you think he is the best defensive fighter ever? OK burner go ahead and make your top 10 list real quick then...

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Top 5

Mayweather
Pep
Locche
Whitaker
Benitez

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I threw my Top 5 out there.

Other guys you can mention:

Conn
Ross
Toney
Walcott
Moore
Burley
Ali
Tyson
Camacho
Johnson

[jrosales13]

atg all around were do you rank mayweather?and how do you see this fight playing out?

When Floyd retired I had him right outside my top 50 all time. Somewhere between 50-60. Coming back in beating JMM did nothing in my book for me to move him up. Now if he beats Shane and then beats Pac in the future then he really does move up higher in my list...

I think Floyd will win this fight. I do think Shane has a chance. But, I think Floyd jab, speed, defense, movement would give Shane trouble. I think Shane will have success in spots with his strength, reach, and his power. I think Floyd was be kinda shocked since it has been awhile that Floyd has fought somebody that holds all those 3 advantages over him. I also felt that his reflexes and timing were off a bit in the JMM fight. I don't know if it was due cuz he was rusty or cuz he is getting older and his reflexes are not what they use to be. JMM landed some shots that you don't land Mayweather. Is Floyd couldn't get out of the way. And, if Shane lands Floyd will not smile at them like he did against JMM who did not have the power to hurt him at that weight. But, at the end of the day I think at this stage of their careers Floyd is just a little bit quicker in pulling the trigger. And, I think that will give Floyd the edge against Shane

[jrosales13]

Top 5

Mayweather
Pep
Locche
Whitaker
Benitez

OK Burner, that is your opinion... So good list man...

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

OK Burner, that is your opinion... So good list man...

Its hard to rate defense because they are all good. But how I got Floyd is this:

Reflexes

He can block with his gloves

He can block combos

He can stay on the ropes and not get hit

He can be thisclose to you and not get hit

He even uses the high guard well.

Hes the total package defensively. Very, very skilled.