Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

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  • Amazinger
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    #271
    Originally posted by Skin
    Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?
    February 28th, 2010
    By Chris Williams

    I may be missing something here, but I don’t understand how Floyd Mayweather Jr. can be vilified for wanting his opponents to agree to random blood testing for performance enhancing drugs like human growth hormone (HCG). If this is something that can only help the sport by getting rid of dirty fighters that bulk up on growth hormone, which some people say can’t be detected by the old methods of urinalysis alone, why is Mayweather considered a bad person for wanting this? If you were a fighter, wouldn’t you want your opponent to agree to these tests if you felt that they were juicing?

    I realize some boxing fans feel that Mayweather is doing it just out of fear, and I agree Mayweather does seem afraid but for different reasons. I think Mayweather is afraid of the unknown. He believes that performance enhancing drugs help a fighter, even though nothing has been proven to show that in boxing. But if Mayweather believes it, it can affect him mentally by creating fear and uncertainty in his mind.

    But what Mayweather is asking for doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. Why should boxing fans be angry with Mayweather for wanting his opponents to agree to drug testing for PEDs? That seems silly. I realize that in Pacquiao’s case he has a fear of needles, a fear of having his blood taken from his body and all that, but you can still understand where Mayweather is coming from in this. He’s afraid, yes, but I don’t agree that he’s afraid of Pacquiao and is looking for a way out.

    On the contrary, I think Mayweather badly wants to fight Pacquiao, because where else will Mayweather get a chance to make that kind of money. But Mayweather wants to be sure that Pacquiao, along with all his opponents from this point on, are fighting clean without the benefit of performance enhancing drugs. I don’t see what Mayweather is asking for as a bad thing.

    Why would it be bad if it’s something that will help identify cheats in the future? There are probably some boxers out there who are using both steroids and growth hormones to bulk up in weight quickly with muscle mass that would take them years to put on. The PEDs allows these fighters to bulk up quickly and compete against the bigger fighters. I don’t know that it will help them in a long distance fight where their stamina is tested, but I think it would possibly help them in a short fight. Personally, I’m all for the extra blood testing for performance enhancing drugs.

    If they’re going to be testing in other sports for these drugs, then they need to be doing it in boxing as well. I think the urine testing was fine at one point, but the PEDs are more advanced now and the testing methods need to keep pace with the changing drugs. You can’t just stay stuck on one test forever. The boxing commission needs to be flexible and be able to adjust quickly to the changing times by having additional tests for different drugs.

    I don’t think that the urine testing should be done away with, as I think it’s still useful. But I think random blood testing needs to be added to that to ensure that fighters are using other types of drugs that might not be detected with the old tried and true urine testing. Likewise, I think the blood testing needs to be random all the way up to a fight to make sure that a fighter isn’t getting off of his PED cycle before or after the drug tests.

    Those drugs are very powerful, and if a fighter was allowed to cycle for 30 days before a fight, they could put on some serious weight during that time and increase their strength along with it. I don’t know what can be done for fighters that are afraid of blood testing for fear that it weakens them. It think those fighters will have to eventually accept the rules and learn to live with it the same way all of us do with other rules in our society.

    It may be a pain, but when you have a fighter’s life at risk by facing someone that is bulked up by artificial means, it can be potentially dangerous. There are strength drugs that can make a fighter very strong, and this likely would have a positive benefit for their punching power. Like I don’t think it would help them with their stamina, but I think a fighter could be more than a handful in the first six to eight rounds of a fight.

    By then, they could potentially decimate their opponent with their increased strength and power, and beat them up enough to score an early knockout or cruise the rest of the way. I don’t blame Mayweather one bit for wanting drug testing for his fights. He should be applauded for this instead of ridiculed.


    Is he the very first who advocate this?.
    there were fighters who ask for tighter testing before.And Mayweather is hardly a pioneer.

    Olympic style would not work well if you're only going to use it for Championship or title fights.
    Because some may use banned substances on their way up to the top 10 ranking.

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      #272
      I hope this fight happens

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      • bojangles1987
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        #273
        Originally posted by IMDAZED
        Well obviously Pacquiao doesn't give two craps about the testing. Some people don't care and are like, "I don't care, I'll take it." It's the kind that say "I don't care, I'm NOT taking it" that you should be worried about. As for Floyd getting credit, well, I could give two craps about that. How about we the fans take Pacquiao to task for his actions, instead of concentrating on the other guy?
        Pac would take any of these tests, but he listens to everyone else who are telling him not to take the tests. Bottom line, everyone around Pac didn't want the fight to happen in March, that's why it fell apart, not because they are scared Pac will test positive for anything.

        This thread is about Mayweather getting credit for wanting stricter drug testing, and that's ridiculous he isn't doing anything admirable, he's trying to destroy a person's reputation because he is jealous.

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          #274
          Originally posted by bojangles1987
          Pac would take any of these tests, but he listens to everyone else who are telling him not to take the tests. Bottom line, everyone around Pac didn't want the fight to happen in March, that's why it fell apart, not because they are scared Pac will test positive for anything.

          This thread is about Mayweather getting credit for wanting stricter drug testing, and that's ridiculous he isn't doing anything admirable, he's trying to destroy a person's reputation because he is jealous.
          What makes you say he was willing to take all of these tests? What shows? All his contradictions?

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            #275
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            What makes you say he was willing to take all of these tests? What shows? All his contradictions?
            Because that's how Pac is. That's the type of fighter he is. Unfortunately, he has a scumbag in Bob Arum who decides everything for him. We don't know what is said privately, but based on what we know about Manny Pacquiao I have a hard time believing he is begging to not take blood tests.

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              #276
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              Because that's how Pac is. That's the type of fighter he is. Unfortunately, he has a scumbag in Bob Arum who decides everything for him. We don't know what is said privately, but based on what we know about Manny Pacquiao I have a hard time believing he is begging to not take blood tests.
              So he's the type to contradict himself and make comments which would say he's not willing to take the tests at a reasonable time; ie lying?

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                #277
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                So he's the type to contradict himself and make comments which would say he's not willing to take the tests at a reasonable time; ie lying?
                He is listening to the people around him, who don't want him to fight Mayweather apparently. That's the reason for all the contradictions. Every fighter's camp contradicts themselves. Don't act like Manny's is the first or the only one.

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                  #278
                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  He is listening to the people around him, who don't want him to fight Mayweather apparently. That's the reason for all the contradictions. Every fighter's camp contradicts themselves. Don't act like Manny's is the first or the only one.
                  So they went through this whole negotiations because they really don't want to fight Floyd? LOL. I guess we can all rationalize it the way we want to.

                  So let me ask you...do you believe the fight will occur in the future with testing all the way up to the fight? I sure hope you're right, brother.

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                    #279
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    So they went through this whole negotiations because they really don't want to fight Floyd? LOL. I guess we can all rationalize it the way we want to.

                    So let me ask you...do you believe the fight will occur in the future with testing all the way up to the fight? I sure hope you're right, brother.
                    See, you are assuming guilt for Manny just because they pulled out of the fight over the blood tests, ignoring some of the negotiations that proceeded it. Each fighter's camp was throwing up things trying to get the other side to blink first. Mayweather came out near the beginning of negotiations with the 154 and 10 oz. gloves crap, that went away. Then the 10 million per overweight pound demand came from Arum, which is ridiculous, but Floyd agreed to it. Then after everything was done, and the fight seemed like it would happen, Floyd came out of no where with the blood tests which insulted Manny. And Manny's camp blinked.

                    The fight will happen later this year, I don't know what kind of testing they will have, but it will not be the issue it has been.

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                      #280
                      Originally posted by bojangles1987
                      See, you are assuming guilt for Manny just because they pulled out of the fight over the blood tests, ignoring some of the negotiations that proceeded it. Each fighter's camp was throwing up things trying to get the other side to blink first. Mayweather came out near the beginning of negotiations with the 154 and 10 oz. gloves crap, that went away. Then the 10 million per overweight pound demand came from Arum, which is ridiculous, but Floyd agreed to it. Then after everything was done, and the fight seemed like it would happen, Floyd came out of no where with the blood tests which insulted Manny. And Manny's camp blinked.

                      The fight will happen later this year, I don't know what kind of testing they will have, but it will not be the issue it has been.
                      See, it's misinformation like that...that's just not true. It was in the contracts from day one. Got it?

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