Comments Thread For: James Toney Too Risky For Vitali Klitschko, Says Goossen

[ChopperRead]

Excuses. Byrd was in the fight all along thanks to his slickness, skills and speed. The comment about the ropes is very inaccurate too. The fight happened in the middle of the ring and Byrd, at times, was the aggressor, backing Vitali up. Vitali is a *****, as he has shown when he quit like a ***** ahead on the scorecards instead of enduring the pain and fighting on.

''It hurts too much.'' - Vitali

Vitali has a thing or 2 to learn from Jean Pascal about heart.

It's hard to believe that people are still using that incident to bash Vitali. Klitschkos haters truly have so little material to work with. Anyone who thinks Vitali is a "*****" is so blinded by hatred that anything else they say can't be taken seriously.

[vitali1999]

Lights out

Toney was at one time a very special fighter, he is so far gone now, it's not even funny. A prime Toney would of lost a late knockout or a lopsided desicion. Now he might be qualified to be a sparring partner.

[Tiozzo]

It's hard to believe that people are still using that incident to bash Vitali. Klitschkos haters truly have so little material to work with. Anyone who thinks Vitali is a "*****" is so blinded by hatred that anything else they say can't be taken seriously.

Lots of people have bashed Vitali for quitting in a fight with 3 rnds to go which he had already won on the cards. He just had to survive. I'm not a hater, but I'm sick of Vitali's nuthuggers who think that guy is god. Vitali has been a ***** in that fight for quitting, no matter the pain. He hasn't been a ***** on other occasions and has shown tremendous courage when he fought Lewis. But in the Byrd fight, he acted like a *****, and that can't be forgotten.

You can call me hater all you want, but when I say something, it's always backed up with facts, so whatever you say, facts are facts.

[Jim Jeffries]

Byrd did not win more than a single round against Vitali. And why are we talking about a 10 year old fight?

Anyhow, what has Toney done in the last 4 years to deserve a title shot? Rob Fres Oquendo?

Even though Vitali is 38, how much credit is he going to get for beating an almost 42 year old Toney?

[Tiozzo]

I find it very hard to believe.

As the Klitschkos are so dominant and therefore hard to legitimately find fault with, one argument that always recurs with people who just plain resent them (especially in the US) is that they are "boring." The reason for this is that it's impossible for anyone to prove otherwise, as being "boring" is a totally subjective thing. You can't truthfully say they aren't great athletes, that they aren't winners, that they duck people, because they don't. All that's really left is to call them "boring."

Personally, I don't find Vitali "boring" at all. I thought his win over Arreola, for instance, was a masterpiece of intelligent yet still brutally effective boxing, a smart veteran fighting at the height of his powers. But that's why they have different brands of cereal in the supermarket: choice. If you don't like watching Vitali, you can always choose not to do so. Trying to argue against people who say he's "boring" is a waste of time. All I can say is, if you think Vitali is "boring," just wait until he retires and see how exciting the division is without him.

Being boring is not totally subjective. It's partially subjective. Who can argue Pacquiao is boring ? Who can argue Marciano, Louis, Frazier were boring ? I have already assessed they (Klits) are dominant. But you can be both dominant and boring. Everybody who is not a Klit nuthugger will tell you : they are effective, they dominate, but they are boring. Even with Vitali retired, the division can't really be in a worse state. Vitali is boring because of his style, and Wladimir is boring because he is overly defense minded (chinny). I don't say they're boring because I resent them : I resent them because they're boring. Huge difference. Vitali is so ugly to watch : awkward, bad technique, Joe Calzaghe like punching sometimes, bad foot work, his mouth is wide open from the very first round to the last... Just horrible. I don't like watching Vitali, but since he has a belt and the best contenders out there have to go through him, I'm kinda forced to watch him. Wlad is different. Huge potential, but boring.

Anyway, I respect your opinion, and I hope you respect mine, because it has nothing to do with hatred, and I'm not even American...

Don't forget my point, if we go back to the beginning in this thread, was that since Byrd was effective and pretty successful against Vitali, which I have proven, a better version of Toney could have given him a tough and close fight. That has nothing to do with hate as far as I'm concerned, but the Klit nuthuggers prefer to say Vitali would have crushed him and blablablablabla. It sickens me.

[Steelhammer2011]

a 2003 VERSION OF tONEY WOULD LIKELY BEAT A 2010 VERSION OF VITALI

VITALI SUCKS AGAINST SLICK FIGHTERS

Are you ******ed?

Vitali has dominated EVERY opponent he has ever faced.

Toney hasn't done jack **** at HW. He got completely dominated and shutout by Samuel Peter. Vitali easily destroyed Peter in 8.

2010 Vitali destroys 2003 Toney.

You ******ed haters make me sick.

[mangler jr]

James Toney is a legend with ATG skills, he could win these fights.

Especially against Wladdy.

[Tiozzo]

Are you ******ed?

Vitali has dominated EVERY opponent he has ever faced.

Toney hasn't done jack **** at HW. He got completely dominated and shutout by Samuel Peter. Vitali easily destroyed Peter in 8.

2010 Vitali destroys 2003 Toney.

You ******ed Klitschko haters make me sick.

I believe the most ******ed thing to do would be to argue with some dude named STEELHAMMER2010 thinking I'm going to have a civilised and objective discussion about the Klits, whatever the topic.

Typical Klits nuthugger stuff right here.

[Tobi.G]

Goosen said they want it in germany and it would be a huge draw? Maybe, but not because of James Toney! The germans doesnt care who the Klits fight, they just care about Klits! Nobody knows Toney in germany, these are all Klitschko Fans who watch their fights. Most of the people who buy tickets just know Klitschko and nothing about the opponent! They just want to see the big Klits fight. Toney never fought in germany, nobody knows him here, just the real boxing fans of course. Toney is to old now, he would be a punching bag for the Klits and how would he reach them hes just 5'10 and not as fast as he used to be. I know they want just one last payday for Toney whos just talking trash recently but not fighting.

[PensionKiller]

If Toney actually got out there with 100% focus in training and motivation, he can give a chellnge, but that being said, it would ever be a win. Right now he won't be able to take on Wlad because he doesn't move enough. Vitali would be a good slugfest, with his size making the difference.