The Klitschko Factor: Assessing Vitali

[GranTorino]

well by beating ruiz, he beat a guy that fres, rahman, and golota could not... so you have to put him above other guys who have beaten nobody like peter, brock, mccline, fres, etc... also, he's a master boxer, with the exception of byrd, noone else can match him skills wise

Please, stop splitting hairs. We all know Golota won the fight. Just like we all know that a judge can bought as easily as a loaf of bread these days.

[guru]

still he sold just as many PPV's as the other guys combined and he was fighting what most considered an unpopular opponent, nobody bought the PPV to see williams..

[Torino]

Anorak
I’m not going to quote (copy) your entire post directly, it’s way to long and I don’t want to make everyone scroll that far.

Though many of your points are valid, well thought out, and your post well written, I would like to point out a few things. When you described Vitali, you used these words……… - untested, tentative, vulnerable, lack of caution, conducting an undignified scrambling retreat, his moment already been and gone, displeasing style, he gets the job done however unsatisfactorily, running shamefully across the ring, and a champion living on borrowed time…….. - all of which are your opinion and the opinion of some others. You are entitled to your opinion, however it’s difficult to see your post as “objective” when you've obviously formed an opinion of Vitali and express it so openly. In all fairness to you, you also have a pessimistic perspective when describing others as well.

Now in fairness to Vital, I would like to add an optimistic perspective. Vitali Klitschko has about a 93.5% KO ratio (37fights/34ko's), The WBC championship belt, has never been knocked down, and has never been behind on the score cards at the end of any of his fights including his two losses to Lewis and Byrd. That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion. That’s what I look for in champion.

In regards to Vitali’s recent opponents, Lewis old and fat - Johnson fat - Sanders old and out of shape - and Williams out of shape. To those that are bias againt Vitali, there will always be something wrong with his opponents. If Vitali fights and beats Rahman, there will be something wrong with Rahman too. The truth is, you can find something wrong with just about anyone, including most of Lewis’s opponents as well.

Vitali's not perfect, but he's not so bad either.

Your post was opinionated, but it was an attempt at being objective and I did enjoy reading it.

[GranTorino]

Vitali keeps ducking Ruiz assmunch.

Really? How exactly is he doing that?

[Manny_P]

Anorak
I’m not going to quote (copy) your entire post directly, it’s way to long and I don’t want to make everyone scroll that far.

Though many of your points are valid, well thought out, and your post well written, I would like to point out a few things. When you described Vitali, you used these words……… - untested, tentative, vulnerable, lack of caution, conducting an undignified scrambling retreat, his moment already been and gone, displeasing style, he gets the job done however unsatisfactorily, running shamefully across the ring, and a champion living on borrowed time…….. - all of which are your opinion and the opinion of some others. You are entitled to your opinion, however it’s difficult to see your post as “objective” when you've obviously already formed an opinion of Vitali and express it so openly. In all fairness to you, you also have a pessimistic perspective when describing others as well.

Now in fairness to Vital, I would like to add an optimistic perspective. Vitali Klitschko has about a 93.5% KO ratio (37fights/34ko's), The WBC championship belt, has never been knocked down, and has never been behind on the score cards at the end of any of his fights including his two losses to Lewis and Byrd. That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion. That’s what I look for in champion.

In regards to Vitali’s recent opponents, Lewis old and fat - Johnson fat - Sanders old and out of shape - and Williams out of shape. To those that are bias againt Vitali, there will always be something wrong with his opponents. If Vitali fights and beats Rahman, there will be something wrong with Rahman too. The truth is, you can find something wrong with just about anyone, including most of Lewis’s opponents as well.

Vitali's not perfect, but he's not so bad either.

Your post was opinionated, but it was an attempt at being objective and I did enjoy reading it.

I agree wit this!







And to anybody out there that thinks Vitali will lose, I've always got points to bet on any Vitali fights. ANY FIGHT AT ALL!

[Bozo_no no]

still he sold just as many PPV's as the other guys combined and he was fighting what most considered an unpopular opponent, nobody bought the PPV to see williams..

And they LOST money even if it were true that they did reach 120K, which I don't buy. HBO is completely biased in trying to embelish and market Vitali.

Just because it matched other ****ty PPV sales doesn't make it any better. It still lost them money.

There is no indication that he's becomming a PPV draw, as was earlier suggested.

[Bozo_no no]

That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion. That’s what I look for in champion.

What are you talking about?

Ruiz, Byrd, and especially Lennox Lewis have beaten better fighters that an out of shape Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald, and Corrie Sanders.

Who cares what his KO % was like prior to the Lewis fight.

LOOK at who he fought the majority of his career. Club fighters in Germany.

Do you need to see the list of his opponents again?

It was highlighted by names like Norris, Purrity, Sullivan, etc.


The bottom line is not that he's never been behind on the cards. Its that he has yet to beat anything better than a B level fighter.

[Guest]

Anorak
I’m not going to quote (copy) your entire post directly, it’s way to long and I don’t want to make everyone scroll that far.

Though many of your points are valid, well thought out, and your post well written, I would like to point out a few things. When you described Vitali, you used these words……… - untested, tentative, vulnerable, lack of caution, conducting an undignified scrambling retreat, his moment already been and gone, displeasing style, he gets the job done however unsatisfactorily, running shamefully across the ring, and a champion living on borrowed time…….. - all of which are your opinion and the opinion of some others. You are entitled to your opinion, however it’s difficult to see your post as “objective” when you've obviously formed an opinion of Vitali and express it so openly. In all fairness to you, you also have a pessimistic perspective when describing others as well.

Now in fairness to Vital, I would like to add an optimistic perspective. Vitali Klitschko has about a 93.5% KO ratio (37fights/34ko's), The WBC championship belt, has never been knocked down, and has never been behind on the score cards at the end of any of his fights including his two losses to Lewis and Byrd. That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion. That’s what I look for in champion.

In regards to Vitali’s recent opponents, Lewis old and fat - Johnson fat - Sanders old and out of shape - and Williams out of shape. To those that are bias againt Vitali, there will always be something wrong with his opponents. If Vitali fights and beats Rahman, there will be something wrong with Rahman too. The truth is, you can find something wrong with just about anyone, including most of Lewis’s opponents as well.

Vitali's not perfect, but he's not so bad either.

Your post was opinionated, but it was an attempt at being objective and I did enjoy reading it.

Hi Torino, thanks for your reply, glad you enjoyed reading it. It's always nice when people can agree to disagree without mud slinging or all this "haters" business.

I think one false impression I've given though is that I'm not behind Vitali... in trying to be objective I maybe went too far the other way. For instance, I should have specified that his displeasing style is how others see it... personally I really like to see him fight, even though I haven't been on the edge of my seat since the Lewis bout. The same goes for him being on borrowed time.. this is how his critics view him, personally I can't see him being beat by anyone out there right now, except possibly (and that's a big stretch) James Toney.

[Torino]

What are you talking about?

Ruiz, Byrd, and especially Lennox Lewis have beaten better fighters that an out of shape Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald, and Corrie Sanders.

Who cares what his KO % was like prior to the Lewis fight.

LOOK at who he fought the majority of his career. Club fighters in Germany.

Do you need to see the list of his opponents again?

It was highlighted by names like Norris, Purrity, Sullivan, etc.


The bottom line is not that he's never been behind on the cards. Its that he has yet to beat anything better than a B level fighter.

I will just respond by reposting the information you deliberately left out. And the KO% is post Lewis. It was about 97% before

Vitali Klitschko has about a 93.5% KO ratio (37fights/34ko's), The WBC championship belt, has never been knocked down, and has never been behind on the score cards at the end of any of his fights including his two losses to Lewis and Byrd. That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion. That’s what I look for in champion.

In regards to Vitali’s recent opponents, Lewis old and fat - Johnson fat - Sanders old and out of shape - and Williams out of shape. To those that are bias againt Vitali, there will always be something wrong with his opponents. If Vitali fights and beats Rahman, there will be something wrong with Rahman too. The truth is, you can find something wrong with just about anyone, including most of Lewis’s opponents as well.

[dansweeney]

both klitschkos are pieces of ****