The Klitschko Factor: Assessing Vitali

[Guest]

both klitschkos are pieces of ****

Thanks for that. Good one.

[Bozo_no no]

I will just respond by reposting the information you deliberately left out. And the KO% is post Lewis.

You are absolutely brainwashed.

He hasn't beaten anything better than a B level (calling Johnson, Sanders, and Donald B level is generous) fighter, and beyond those 3, you'd be hard pressed to call anyone else he's beat a "C" level fighter.

Lewis, Byrd and Ruiz have been behind on the cards because they've all fought better fighters. The is no compairison.

I posted Vitali's record for you a few weeks back, and showed you how before the Lewis fight, his record was outright Garbage. Outside of Byrd and Lewis (who he LOST to), he could have 100% KO ratio, and it wouldn't be anymore significant. Beyond Donald and Johnson, his resume is completely unimpressive.

Nothing you can say or tell yourself changes the fact he is still virtually unproven, and hasn't beaten anyone even remotly close to being a world class fighter.

[guru]

And they LOST money even if it were true that they did reach 120K, which I don't buy. HBO is completely biased in trying to embelish and market Vitali.

Just because it matched other ****ty PPV sales doesn't make it any better. It still lost them money.

There is no indication that he's becomming a PPV draw, as was earlier suggested.

not arguing that point, just pointing out that VK sold just as many PPV's as the other champs and contenders, king's entire army, combined... i think thats one factor to consider when assessing who the top guy is....

[guru]

both klitschkos are pieces of ****

always nice to get some intelligent input to keep us str8

[Manny_P]

You are absolutely brainwashed.

He hasn't beaten anything better than a B level (calling Johnson, Sanders, and Donald B level is generous) fighter, and beyond those 3, you'd be hard pressed to call anyone else he's beat a "C" level fighter.

Lewis, Byrd and Ruiz have been behind on the cards because they've all fought better fighters. The is no compairison.

I posted Vitali's record for you a few weeks back, and showed you how before the Lewis fight, his record was outright Garbage. Outside of Byrd and Lewis (who he LOST to), he could have 100% KO ratio, and it wouldn't be anymore significant. Beyond Donald and Johnson, his resume is completely unimpressive.

Nothing you can say or tell yourself changes the fact he is still virtually unproven, and hasn't beaten anyone even remotly close to being a world class fighter.

OK......then in your opinion, who would beat Vitali right now? And please, dont say Toney.

[The Pretender]

OK......then in your opinion, who would beat Vitali right now? And please, dont say Toney.

Maybe with steroids.

[Bozo_no no]

OK......then in your opinion, who would beat Vitali right now? And please, dont say Toney.

This is the part that seems to be the toughest for the goofy Klitscho pic avatar club to understand.

Hypotheticlly saying "Who could beat him right now" or "He'd knock out Byrd, Toney and Ruiz" doesn't mean anything.

He hasn't fought the other top Heavyweights out there at the moment, so the fact that many of you are so convinced he'd dominate everyone is nothing more than fiction at this point.

Once he does, in reality, beat Byrd, Ruiz, Toney, or whoever holds the other two titles, I will say he's beaten the best fighters out there, and that he is deserving of being called the top Heavyweight.

As it is now, he hasn't beaten anything better than a B level fighter, is injured and inactive, and will be tied up with a mandatory upon his return.

He has a lot to prove at this point to fill the shoes HBO and all of the fanatics have created, and it's going to take time.

If he unifies and beats the best out there, I will give him props.

As it is now, he's a big akward Heavyweight that has a meidocre resume in a wide open and weak heavyweight division.

[AintGottaClue]

bozo thats still ym poitn he can sell just as much as 2 other heavy title holders. and ya vitali has fought B fighters, BUT HE NEVER STRUGGLED WITH ANY OF THEM TOTALLY OUTCLASSED THEM, so you know he can beat A fighters, ya he lost to byrd cause of a injury and lewis but he was still winning, do u think he cant beat byrd? hell no even by losing he proved he can beat byrd, u haters liek to nitpick everything to downgrade the man.

[guru]

bozo thats still ym poitn he can sell just as much as 2 other heavy title holders. and ya vitali has fought B fighters, BUT HE NEVER STRUGGLED WITH ANY OF THEM TOTALLY OUTCLASSED THEM, so you know he can beat A fighters, ya he lost to byrd cause of a injury and lewis but he was still winning, do u think he cant beat byrd? hell no even by losing he proved he can beat byrd, u haters liek to nitpick everything to downgrade the man.

good point sturm, byrd and ruiz are struggling to beat "B" level fighters like fres, golota, mccline....

[Bozo_no no]

bozo thats still ym poitn he can sell just as much as 2 other heavy title holders. and ya vitali has fought B fighters, BUT HE NEVER STRUGGLED WITH ANY OF THEM TOTALLY OUTCLASSED THEM, so you know he can beat A fighters, ya he lost to byrd cause of a injury and lewis but he was still winning, do u think he cant beat byrd? hell no even by losing he proved he can beat byrd, u haters liek to nitpick everything to downgrade the man.

I don't know if you're just not very bright, or if it's a language barrier problem.


1) Again, even if he sold 120K buys to match that King card, it still lost a ton of money, and was a big disapointment. It was not impressive, and not an indication he's going to be a PPV draw. Understand?

2) A lot of good fighters outclass B level fighters. That isn't a sure sign of anything. If dominating Donald, Johnson, and Sanders was impressive in your eyes, good for you.

3) He LOST to Byrd because he quit in discomfort in a fight he was well ahead in. He could have lost every remaining round not using his poor arm and still won, but he elected to quit. That's a TKO LOSS.

4) He LOST to Lennox Lewis, because while he was ahead on points in a fight that was stopped after 6 rounds, he was far behing in the "face remaining in tact" aspect of the fight. Another LOSS.

Get over it. He LOST to the the two best fighters he faced, and has dominated a bunch of weak fighters.

He has much left to prove.