The Klitschko Factor: Assessing Vitali

[Torino]

You are absolutely brainwashed.

He hasn't beaten anything better than a B level (calling Johnson, Sanders, and Donald B level is generous) fighter, and beyond those 3, you'd be hard pressed to call anyone else he's beat a "C" level fighter.

Everything you said here is your opinion.

Lewis, Byrd and Ruiz have been behind on the cards because they've all fought better fighters. The is no compairison.

"There es no comparison" is your opinion.

I posted Vitali's record for you a few weeks back, and showed you how before the Lewis fight, his record was outright Garbage. Outside of Byrd and Lewis (who he LOST to), he could have 100% KO ratio, and it wouldn't be anymore significant. Beyond Donald and Johnson, his resume is completely unimpressive..

Everything you said here and everything you said then is your opinion.

Nothing you can say or tell yourself changes the fact he is still virtually unproven, and hasn't beaten anyone even remotly close to being a world class fighter.

Is that so?..... Well once again here are the facts. NOT OPINION.

Vitali Klitschko has about a 93.5% KO ratio (37fights/34ko's), The WBC championship belt, has never been knocked down, and has never been behind on the score cards at the end of any of his fights including his two losses to Lewis and Byrd. That's more than Lewis, Byrd, Ruiz, or any other current top HW can say - and it’s fact not opinion.

[AintGottaClue]

I don't know if you're just not very bright, or if it's a language barrier problem.


1) Again, even if he sold 120K buys to match that King card, it still lost a ton of money, and was a big disapointment. It was not impressive, and not an indication he's going to be a PPV draw. Understand?

2) A lot of good fighters outclass B level fighters. That isn't a sure sign of anything. If dominating Donald, Johnson, and Sanders was impressive in your eves, good for you.

3) He LOST to Byrd because he quit in discomfort in a fight he was well ahead in. He could have lost every remaining round not using his poor arm and still won, but he elected to quit. That's a TKO LOSS.

4) He LOST to Lennox Lewis, because while he was ahead on points in a fight that was stopped after 6 rounds, he was far behing in the "face remaining in tact" aspect of the fight. Another LOSS.

Get over it. He LOST to the the two best fighters he faced, and has dominated a bunch of weak fighters.

He has much left to prove.

so cause of that he cant be the champ now? and u must not get it who cares if HBO lost moeny thats not the point im makign the point is he sells more then the other combined so whoever watches the heavyweights now seem to go for vitali over all the others get it? ya he has a lost to byrd and lewis o no a lose he sucks who would u take now in a 12 round fight between byrd and vitali right now. another point im makign out is that despite losing he was easly winning those fight, and he didnt "quit" out of discomfort, he quit from fighting with a torn muscle in his shoulder for 6-7 rounds, and if u outclass a B fight doesnt that mean your an A? i dont know of any B fighters that outclass the same fight at there level cause that doesnt make sence ( unless its a style mismatch). bozo who do u htink will "destory" vitali huh?

[guru]

i think the win over sanders, donald and KJ were VK's best wins... sanders was highly ranked when VK beat him(but wasnt ranked by the ABC organizations cause he held the WBO title), VK is the only guy to KO donald, who's only loss a few times, and even though KJ wasnt in shape, it didnt go long enough to become a factor cause he was blown out in 2 rounds....

[Bozo_no no]

good point sturm, byrd and ruiz are struggling to beat "B" level fighters like fres, golota, mccline....

lol,


The difference would be, do you see a team of rabbid Byrd and Ruiz fanatics claiming how great and prolific John Ruiz and Chris Byrd are?

[Torino]

so cause of that he cant be the champ now? and u must not get it who cares if HBO lost moeny thats not the point im makign the point is he sells more then the other combined so whoever watches the heavyweights now seem to go for vitali over all the others get it? ya he has a lost to byrd and lewis o no a lose he sucks who would u take now in a 12 round fight between byrd and vitali right now. another point im makign out is that despite losing he was easly winning those fight, and he didnt "quit" out of discomfort, he quit from fighting with a torn muscle in his shoulder for 6-7 rounds, and if u outclass a B fight doesnt that mean your an A? i dont know of any B fighters that outclass the same fight at there level cause that doesnt make sence ( unless its a style mismatch). bozo who do u htink will "destory" vitali huh?

What's with that guy? He named himself appropriately "BOZO". He is a clown

[guru]

lol,


The difference would be, do you see a team of rabbid Byrd and Ruiz fanatics claiming how great and prolific John Ruiz and Chris Byrd are?

because they're not?

[Bozo_no no]

so cause of that he cant be the champ now? and u must not get it who cares if HBO lost moeny thats not the point im makign the point is he sells more then the other combined so whoever watches the heavyweights now seem to go for vitali over all the others get it? ya he has a lost to byrd and lewis o no a lose he sucks who would u take now in a 12 round fight between byrd and vitali right now. another point im makign out is that despite losing he was easly winning those fight, and he didnt "quit" out of discomfort, he quit from fighting with a torn muscle in his shoulder for 6-7 rounds, and if u outclass a B fight doesnt that mean your an A? i dont know of any B fighters that outclass the same fight at there level cause that doesnt make sence ( unless its a style mismatch). bozo who do u htink will "destory" vitali huh?

No, I don't get it, mainly because its very difficult to understand you.

You don't seem to get it, so this will be the last time.

Even if Vitali did sell 120K PPV buys vs Williams, it LOST money, and was a big disapointment.

Just because one ****ty PPV pulls even with another ****ty PPV, that doesn't make it any less ****ty.

As for your "Who do I think can beat him" questions, see my post from the last page:

This is the part that seems to be the toughest for the goofy Klitscho pic avatar club to understand.

Hypotheticlly saying "Who could beat him right now" or "He'd knock out Byrd, Toney and Ruiz" doesn't mean anything.

He hasn't fought the other top Heavyweights out there at the moment, so the fact that many of you are so convinced he'd dominate everyone is nothing more than fiction at this point.

Once he does, in reality, beat Byrd, Ruiz, Toney, or whoever holds the other two titles, I will say he's beaten the best fighters out there, and that he is deserving of being called the top Heavyweight.

As it is now, he hasn't beaten anything better than a B level fighter, is injured and inactive, and will be tied up with a mandatory upon his return.

He has a lot to prove at this point to fill the shoes HBO and all of the fanatics have created, and it's going to take time.

If he unifies and beats the best out there, I will give him props.

As it is now, he's a big akward Heavyweight that has a meidocre resume in a wide open and weak heavyweight division.

[Bozo_no no]

because they're not?

No, they're not. They're average.

So the difference is, there's THREE average Heavyweights that really haven't proven more than eachother that hold titles, and there's only fanatical allusions about one of them.

[Torino]

because they're not?

............?????? HAHHAHHAHAHA True!

[Bozo_no no]

What's with that guy? He named himself appropriately "BOZO". He is a clown

Nice job Torino. Just like when I posted Vitali's record to show you how significant his huge KO % was agaisnt the likes of Sullivan, Purity, Norris etc, you do this: