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Pretty ironic you're the one who can't read, and you tell me to learn to read. What a ****** ******* you are
. The dude was pointing at the fact the one boxer in the top 11-25 who is still active is Holyfield, but Holyfield is not in the top 11-25. It is Bowe who is in the top 11-25 who is still a bit active. Now suck it.
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Considering the fact that Haye was not even a dominant champ at Cruiserweight and will most likely fight no more than 30 fights in his career. So, in my opinion he will never be a defining victory at heavyweight for anyone. Unless he does something extraordinary at heavyweight in the next five years and he can start by just fighting instead of running his mouth. And I bet Holmes will be in the top 10 and to me he has more defining loses than he has wins.Comment
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Cliff was referring to the top 10, not the 11-25 list. If he'd meant Bowe he'd have had no reason not to simply say so. The reason he resorted to a "hint" is obviously that he's referring to the top 10 and he didn't want to give away who is in it.
And I don't see how Bowe can be considered even borderline active any more. Holyfield is at least still seriously trying to make fights. Bowe had one fight against a journeyman in 2008, looked bad, and hasn't shown any real signs of wanting to fight since. According to the New York Times he weighs over 300lb these days.Last edited by Dave Rado; 02-18-2010, 05:59 PM.Comment
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As noted bro, I had Tunney 4 all time at Light Heavyweight. That's where most of the Greb fights belong and even the last, and Gibbons, were only a handful of pounds over. It was a coin flip between Tunney and Fitz for this list in about the same spot. They were great fighters and had great accomplishments at Heavyweight, but Tunney literally had a handful of fights there. I can't weigh that too heavy against guys with substantive Heavy careers.Comment
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Good stuff Cliff.
"13) Mike Tyson (1985-2005): Brooklyn’s “Iron” Mike was a mammoth star whose physical talent almost lived up to the hopes he inspired. Fast of hand and foot, Tyson was an offensive machine whose early run through the ranks rivaled the rise of Joe Louis…career mark of 50-6, 44 KO, 2 No Contests…Lineal World Champion 1988-90, 2 Defenses…WBC titlist (1986-87, 1 Defense); WBC/WBA (1987, 2 Defenses); WBC/WBA/IBF (1987-90, 6 Defenses); WBC Heavyweight (1996); WBA Heavyweight (1996)….was the youngest titlist, and second youngest lineal champion, of all time…a title challenger less than two years into his career, Tyson knocked out Trevor Berbick in two to win the WBC belt in November 1986…would add the WBA belt of “Bonecrusher” Smith in March and the IBF belt of Tony Tucker in August of 1987 to unify all the major titles…made clear his undisputed claim in June 1988 with a 91 second destruction of lineal champion Michael Spinks…ultimately made nine defenses of the WBC belt and, starting with Berbick, beat a string of nothing but former titlists and top ten contenders including knockouts of Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, and former champion Larry Holmes…managerial issues and a training switch preceded a tougher than expected defense against Frank Bruno in 1989 and a shocking upset loss to James “Buster” Douglas in February 1990, derailing a planned defense against Evander Holyfield…bounced back with four straight wins, stopping contender Alex Stewart before stopping and decisioning big puncher Razor Ruddock in 1991…pulled out of a shot at then-champion Holyfield in late 1991 with a **** indictment hanging over his head and, following a conviction for the crime in 1992, would not fight again until 1995…returned to find a division which, through careful political manipulation and some timely upsets, featured a haggard trio of titlists in Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno and Frans Botha before the year was out…defeated Bruno in three for the WBC belt in March 1996, was stripped because a mandatory with Lennox Lewis couldn’t be made, and then won the WBA belt from Seldon in August…was dominated and stopped in eleven by a surprising Holyfield in November 1996…disqualified in round three of the rematch the following June for biting Holyfield on each ear…out of the ring for a year and a half due to a subsequent suspension, Tyson saved himself from a looming defeat with a mammoth right hand to stop Botha in January 1999…returned to jail for a short period of time and was back in the ring by the end of the year…forced Andrew Golota to quit in October 2000 but had the win voided when he tested positive for marijuana…inactivity saw Tyson grow to record weights, slimming down just a bit for a shot at Lewis in June 2002…never really in the fight, Tyson would be stopped in eight…Tyson would win only once more, stopped in each of his last two fights and retiring in 2005…Tyson’s prime was short, and he lacked the longevity and consistency of the men in front of him, but it’s hard to argue that the best of the fighter the world saw from late 1986 to the summer of 1988 couldn’t have been hell for almost anyone. While the field he ran through wasn’t great, he beat most of them like they were less than good…Liston and Tyson are so similar in many respects as to make them almost interchangeable. Tyson’s stronger performance as champion wins the coin flip today…Tyson is eligible for the IBHOF later this year."Comment
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