Comments Thread For: The Top 25 Heavyweights of All-Time – 11 to 25

[Pirao]

Good list so far, but I think the top ten will make or break it.

As for the Klitschko brothers, I can certainly see the argument for both brothers being in the top 25, but you have to say that they lack defining victories. Sure, you can only fight what is in front of you and it isn't the fault of either brother that they are champions in a weak era, but they still need that cherry on top. The only fighter out there who can give it to them is David Haye and even if you hate the guy, you know it. He is a rival champion and the trashtalk has got personal.

How would David Haye be a defining victory? He's not a better victory than Chagaev, Ibragimov, Byrd or Peter.

Plus I don't think you need defining victories to be an ATG, extended periods of dominance make you an ATG too, and Wlad has been dominating the HW division for the last 4 years and fighting top competition most of the time, and he'll probably dominate for at least 3 more years to come.

[Suckmedry]

Or if he suffers another Brewster/Sanders.

Don't forget Purrity.

[P4P Opinion]

How would David Haye be a defining victory? He's not a better victory than Chagaev, Ibragimov, Byrd or Peter.

It's certainly debatable, but a Haye victory would be high profile wheras those other victories were not especially. I just think they need a victory over someone like Haye so they aren't misjudged.

Plus I don't think you need defining victories to be an ATG, extended periods of dominance make you an ATG too, and Wlad has been dominating the HW division for the last 4 years and fighting top competition most of the time, and he'll probably dominate for at least 3 more years to come.

I don't think you need defining victories to be an all-time great either, but you certainly need them if you want a chance at cracking the top ten and possibly even the top twenty five.

[Pirao]

It's certainly debatable, but a Haye victory would be high profile wheras those other victories were not especially. I just think they need a victory over someone like Haye so they aren't misjudged.



I don't think you need defining victories to be an all-time great either, but you certainly need them if you want a chance at cracking the top ten and possibly even the top twenty five.

If you don't crack the top 25 of your weight class at least, there's no way you are an ATG, it's already included in the title.

A victory over Haye would be high profile with the media, but in terms of quality as a fighter, Haye is on the level of those guys as of right now, a good name to have on your resume but not a defining victory. If Haye goes on a tear before facing the Klitschkos then I'll agree, but as of right now that's how things are IMO.

[crold1]

You've got serious issues man.

Maybe Vitali or Wlad is actually in the top 10 anyway ****head. His rankings are done differently. It's not all subjective.

Only one active fighter is on this list and that's because (hint) he's not "really" active anymore. I haven't included active guys on the original eight lists. There's no nationalist bias. Some cats just can't read or have personal issues.

[JAB5239]

Good post bro.

Wlad and Vitali are both Top 10 ATG Heavyweights.

Either Klitschko can beat any HW from any era.

If the Klitschko Brothers were American, they would already be top 10 for sure.

Fuck America.

The Klitschko's have the same fighting style as Primo Carnera. I dare anyone to watch film of both and tell me I'm wrong. They're the best in probably the worst era of heavyweight boxing ever. Highly overrated.

Oh, and America says fuck you back.

[Rolling Stone]

The Klitschko's have the same fighting style as Primo Carnera. I dare anyone to watch film of both and tell me I'm wrong. They're the best in probably the worst era of heavyweight boxing ever. Highly overrated.

Ph, and America says fuck you back.

probably??? you smoking too much crack, this era is the worst of any division of boxing in history

[JAB5239]

When it's all said and done, Wlad will have a legitimate case for being top 10 ATG Heavyweight.

Undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world.
He will break Joe Louis's 25 title defense record.
Wlad hasn't lost a round, never mind a fight in god knows how long.

Wlad will not break that record. First off he's only got a dozen defenses I believe. Second, they aren't consecutive, and third, he's a titlist, not a world champion.

[JAB5239]

probably??? you smoking too much crack, this era is the worst of any division of boxing in history

I appreciate the intervention. I also believe it is the worst heavyweight era, but the is room for argument.

[Joe2608]

If i were to put a Klitschko in i would prefer Vitali as overall his is much the better fighter imo. However, he hasn't achieved a great deal and injuries have hindered his career, Wlad has clearly acheived way more and deserves to be in there if you're going to put a Klitschko in.

I don't think you can put them in until you retire, he might go on to break the record defenses, he might go on to get KO'ed. You don't know this while they are still active so i'd wait till they retire before you start throwing your toys out the pram.