Williams is ranked a Top 5 P4Pounder on many lists.

[S.G.]

I understand what Dirk is trying to say. P4P lists should be primarily based on skills in my eyes ('skills' meaning how you think they would fare against their peers in hypothetical match-ups where weight and size aren't an issue) but that is obviously unavoidably tied in with recent résumé, as afterall, how can you truly gauge how good a boxer's skills are unless he's fought worthy opposition in the first place?

That said I think Paul is better than Hopkins currently and would beat him were they the same size.

[Lucky Luciano]

No not really his first loss to Quintana was a major setback and despite, his KO of Q in the re-match he hasn't quite lived to standards IMO.. This kid started at 156 got all the way to 164 and back down and around, great, but, he hasnt beaten any proven champions nor fought them and as many people who have supposeldy ducked him he hasnt been in a steady weight class to become anyone mandatory except cheatarito or did he just fight him!

Paul Williams had no standards, he went unmentioned for awhile. He was willing to go up and down in weight to fight the best fighter out there. We all know that you as mandatory, you can also take a backseat. Sanctioning bodies will somehow put on hold the mandatory if a big money fight comes along to the fighter who holds the belt.

[IMDAZED]

Margarito can be argued to have been just inside the top 20 perhaps.

Winky Wright??? A 37 year old following a 2 or 3 year layoff??? Lol.

Even if it was just inside, it's in the top 20 which refutes your point. And you're off - Margarito was at worst, a fringe pound for pounder.

And yes, Winky Wright was in the top 20 as well. Actually, he was the favorite for that bout.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You didnt get mine. You said Hops is more skilled then Williams as if to say thats reason alone why Hops should on on the lists instead of Paul. I said who cares. Hops is more skilled then Pac too. Yet Pac is on the list.

Hatton was a Top 10 P4Pounder. How skilled was he?

Hopkins skills are so far ahead of Williams' that that alone is enough to rank him higher. Throw in the resumes if you want and it still aint lookin good for the Punisher.

Williams isnt that skilled and his resume consists of a close win over Margarito and getting outboxed by Martinez. That aint P4P in my book. I give him credit for seeking out tough fights but again, that aint enough by itself unless you perform.

[El Castigador]

I understand what Dirk is trying to say. P4P lists should be primarily based on skills in my eyes ('skills' meaning how you think they would fare against their peers in hypothetical match-ups where weight and size aren't an issue) but that is obviously unavoidably tied in with recent résumé, as afterall, how can you truly gauge how good a boxer's skills are unless he's fought worthy opposition in the first place?

That said I think Paul is better than Hopkins currently and would beat him were they the same size.

Thats cool But when 7 different Publications think hes at least Top 10 and some Top 5. That counts for something.

[IMDAZED]

I understand what Dirk is trying to say. P4P lists should be primarily based on skills in my eyes ('skills' meaning how you think they would fare against their peers in hypothetical match-ups where weight and size aren't an issue) but that is obviously unavoidably tied in with recent résumé, as afterall, how can you truly gauge how good a boxer's skills are unless he's fought worthy opposition in the first place?

That said I think Paul is better than Hopkins currently and would beat him were they the same size.

Thankfully, it's NOT based on that. Because a lot of fighters look good when matched with nobodies. It's why resume is the chief criteria, then skills.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He aint young. Hes 28 years old. The hell you talking about?

Young as opposed to the likes of Floyd, Shane and BHop.

I have Ward and Dawson above him.

[El Castigador]

Hopkins skills are so far ahead of Williams' that that alone is enough to rank him higher. Throw in the resumes if you want and it still aint lookin good for the Punisher.

Williams isnt that skilled and his resume consists of a close win over Margarito and getting outboxed by Martinez. That aint P4P in my book. I give him credit for seeking out tough fights but again, that aint enough by itself unless you perform.

How was he outboxed by Martinez? Martinez said that was the toughest fight of his career.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Even if it was just inside, it's in the top 20 which refutes your point. And you're off - Margarito was at worst, a fringe pound for pounder.

And yes, Winky Wright was in the top 20 as well. Actually, he was the favorite for that bout.

And im crazy? lol

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great find bud... green k... yeah Im glad to see he is finally getting paid his dues... ive been following him since 2004 and theres nothing more exciting to me than watching a paul williams fight!!