Comments Thread For: HBO Shuffle: Khan-Malignaggi? Berto vs. Quintana/Holt?

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

well I guess Champ is right about me then because Im straight promoter on this ****. No ****in way do I let Berto fight Aydin. He's too tough. Its like the Southpaw ****. I think he can beat Collazo, Quintana, and Aydin but they are too risky for too little reward. Seriously, Im like if he's going to fight someone that tough then you might as well get one of the big dogs. Thats just how I feel. When I say names Im talking about guys like Paulie. If its Holt then it goes back to what I said about waiting. I think they dont want those 3 guys I named so they by time with Holt because they know for sure that the next fight will be a Mosley, Floyd, Margarito, Cintron type fight.

I seriously can dig that but I seem to be the only guy who can on these forums. I think like a promoter and like a boxer. It has to make sense. What if Berto fought Quintana, Collazo, or Aydin, and loss? Then what? Then he's ****ed forever pretty much. If you think there is a chance of you losing then you want it to be against the elite. Thats my point. Dont take that risk. If he loses to Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Pac, or Floyd then its still all good. Even Cintron is worth it but not those other guys. Id rather by my time with Holt and then its pretty much a gurantee that one of those names will be available. I really can dig that but I know most cant. Im out after this though. Good convo wit you, homie

You're patting yourself on your back way too hard chief.

I think every intelligent poster on this board understands the business side of things. I also think they are intelligent enough to know when someone is trying to milk the system.

Do we really need another prima donna in the sport. He doesn't have a fan base, his biggest win is a disputed one over Collazo, and he wants to sit on his title till he gets a big fight. We get it, it's business, it's also

The problem lies with the fact that HBO and Hayman are trying too hard to manufacture another star. They are using their resources on Berto, when there are way too many young, hungry, talented fighters out there willing to prove themselves.

[Pullcounter]

why the *** is berto always fighting 140 lbers???? fight a ****in welterweight!!!!

[King Ju-Ju]

Quintana vs Berto is good money. All you people are saying Quintana aint **** but remember he's the only person so far that beat the so called "most feared fighter in the sport" Paul Williams. Yeah Williams came back & ko'd his ass in the 1st round of their rematch but that can happen in boxing. 1 round, 1 lucky big punch & a fight can be over. I look more at their 1st fight. He outclassed him over period of 12 rounds. No luck there. He did what Martinez came close 2 doing. I admit Quintana has suffered his only 2 loses 2 great fighters but in pathetic fashion. He also is very inactive at times but he's still better then any1 Berto has fought.

[Pullcounter]

quintana is a WW and Holt isn't. that's all we have to know. Yeah, holt moved up, but he's unproven that WW.

[King Ju-Ju]

Khan vs any1 at this point is welcomed. He doesn't want any part of Maidana we clearly see that. Now his ego is getting in the way of him fighting Paulie & Marquez. Why don't he fight Victor Ortiz? Lets see if he can do what Maidana did 2 him.

[DLT]

You're patting yourself on your back way too hard chief.

I think every intelligent poster on this board understands the business side of things. I also think they are intelligent enough to know when someone is trying to milk the system.

Do we really need another prima donna in the sport. He doesn't have a fan base, his biggest win is a disputed one over Collazo, and he wants to sit on his title till he gets a big fight. We get it, it's business, it's also

The problem lies with the fact that HBO and Hayman are trying too hard to manufacture another star. They are using their resources on Berto, when there are way too many young, hungry, talented fighters out there willing to prove themselves.

How are they milking him when he fought Collazo, tried hard as hell to get Cotto, tried hard as hell to get Shane & got it but had to bow out. My point is that I think people are being too unreasonable.

Lets face it, he's not Floyd. If it was Floyd then they would have no problem with him doing it because they know guys like Collazo & Quintana wouldnt beat him but Berto hasnt reached that level yet. On the flip side, its like Mosley. Mosley isnt scared of Paul Williams one single bit and anyone who thinks so is nuts. At the same time, he's not dumb enough to fight Williams why he knows he has a shot at a huge Pac or Floyd fight. Thats the same thing Berto is doing except on a smaller level. He's not afraid of Collazo or Quintana but you dont fight them when you have a very legit shot at a bigger fight with a Shane, Margarito, Cintron, Floyd, or Pac. Thats being called a prima donna now?

Come on man. Its just smart & reality. Why do people act like he just didnt suppose to have a Mosley fight 2 weeks ago? Why do they act like he didnt try hard as hell to get Cotto? Why do they act like he didnt already fight the Collazo that everyone wants him to fight? Be reasonable man. He gets way too much hate for doing what every single other guy in boxing is doing but people dont see it. It couldve easily had been Cotto-Berto instead of Cotto-Clottey but no one talks about that. He tried genuinely.

[j69madrox]

Good for Marquez. Hopefully Malignaggi beats Khan's ass and actually gets the right end of the decission. I agree with Doubella (spelled wrong) that it needs to be on fair ground and Malignaggi is the bigger name here. He's faught better opposition and noone knows who Khan is. As far as Berto goes, I was really looking foward to him and Mosley. Someone said Holt has moved up to Welterweight. Since when? He hasn't faught since the Bradley loss. I don't want to see Berto vs Holt or Malignaggi. I understand the big name Welterweights have fights locked up and Margarito has been out for more than a year and moving to 154, so there isn't really anyone there. He might as well just fight Collazo again or Jan Zaveck just to add another belt. Too bad they can't lock up a Cotto fight.

[jrosales13]

All I know is that Berto can not fight another JWW... I don't care how anybody tries to flip it or sugar coat it... He can do it... Holt is not a name so I don't want to hear that non sense... he is the WW champ, fight a WW... That is all there is too it...

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

How are they milking him when he fought Collazo, tried hard as hell to get Cotto, tried hard as hell to get Shane & got it but had to bow out. My point is that I think people are being too unreasonable.

Lets face it, he's not Floyd. If it was Floyd then they would have no problem with him doing it because they know guys like Collazo & Quintana wouldnt beat him but Berto hasnt reached that level yet. On the flip side, its like Mosley. Mosley isnt scared of Paul Williams one single bit and anyone who thinks so is nuts. At the same time, he's not dumb enough to fight Williams why he knows he has a shot at a huge Pac or Floyd fight. Thats the same thing Berto is doing except on a smaller level. He's not afraid of Collazo or Quintana but you dont fight them when you have a very legit shot at a bigger fight with a Shane, Margarito, Cintron, Floyd, or Pac. Thats being called a prima donna now?

Come on man. Its just smart & reality. Why do people act like he just didnt suppose to have a Mosley fight 2 weeks ago? Why do they act like he didnt try hard as hell to get Cotto? Why do they act like he didnt already fight the Collazo that everyone wants him to fight? Be reasonable man. He gets way too much hate for doing what every single other guy in boxing is doing but people dont see it. It couldve easily had been Cotto-Berto instead of Cotto-Clottey but no one talks about that. He tried genuinely.

How are you going to ask, how are they milking him, when you go on to describe in your second paragraph, exactly how and why he should milk the title. I see it, you see it, everybody sees it and he's getting heat for it.

What young fighter doesn't try to fight the big names. Mosley fell in and then out of his lap. The first real threat he fought at Welterweight bit him in the ass and he didn't like the feeling, so now he'll fight weak opposition till something big falls in his lap again. We get it, it's business.

So what we are stuck with is a welterweight champ, who hasn't accomplished much of anything in the division, waiting for a big fight. And you wonder why he get's no love?

[BMWM3P]

Berto vs Quintana is what should happen.