Why Exactly Is James Toney So Revered?

[Jd_macca]

Hopkins picked on small guys out of necessity. The entire middleweight division had been cleaned out at that point. It was 154 pounders, or moving up. He wanted to get to 20 defenses, so he fought 154 pounders. To be fair, a lot of them were good 154 pounders, like Jackson, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc.

DLH and trinidad looked smaller than him man , but i guess if thats your guy man, root for him. I think JT has been calling out Hopkins recently, would you want to see that fight ??

[Suckmedry]

I was actually having the same conversation with Warp tonight.

He's revered a hell of a lot more than he should be.

He has a ton of draws, splits, robberies and come from behind KOs when he was dead in the water on points in his 44-0-2 run.

His best win was against Michael Nunn, when he was dead on points, and needed a KO to pull it out. It's impressive that he did, but being that far behind on points says something about his ability. This isn't to say that Nunn is a bad fighter, but... people act like prime Toney is god.

The Barkley performance was really impressive, but it's a one dimensional fighter that he schooled.

The draw and close win over McCallum are both very disputed.

He just had too many close calls to be the second coming of god that people make him out to be.

I will say that it's damn impressive that he beat Jirov after he was close to shot, and then beating Ruiz when he was shot and on steroids is also pretty impressive to me.

But the TS is correct that he is overrated skill wise.

Sorry brah, but if you think Toney's skills are overrated, shows you have never been in a gym or know about fighting, the way JT times, balances, rolls, slips and counters (even now but esp. at his peak) is very hard to do and takes a special fighter to pull it off. There's a reason no one else out there fights like James, some might say Floyd does and I love Floyd but Floyd is a different fighter he likes to move more, he uses his defence differently, he can stand and not get hit at times but JT does that all the time, he can stand in front of a natural HW who he should never really be fighting, and hold his own with him with his skills.

[Suckmedry]

Unless he was volume punching with the jab only, the openings are there, especially if Toney was using that shoulder roll lean back move that he uses.

I might be talking out of my ass, since I haven't seen the fight, but it just seems like someone who is supposed to have legendary skills had way too many close calls.

WEll yeah you might be man

[MARKBNLV]

Go watch his fight against Micheal Nunn then you will know why the man is revered.

[Suckmedry]

Solid response.

The guy who is supposedly one of the best defensive counterpunchers ever got his ass beat by Michael Nunn, who threw a thousand punches, meaning he had a thousand counter opportunities.

Thank god he was able to pull one lights out punch out of his ass to win it.

But seriously, coming from behind and having to pray the KO comes is what I call true skill.

His ass beat? Man you don't know what you are talking about!!! JT was stalking, deflecting shots, countering, waiting, Nunn was like 6''2, fast and a southpaw, you aren't going to catch him early, JT knew he needed to just keep coming, put the pressure on, and then turn it up late.

[Jd_macca]

His ass beat? Man you don't know what you are talking about!!! JT was stalking, deflecting shots, countering, waiting, Nunn was like 6''2, fast and a southpaw, you aren't going to catch him early, JT knew he needed to just keep coming, put the pressure on, and then turn it up late.

Exactly ... can anyone say that there is a slicker boxer out there ??

[The_Demon]

hes a cheating c*nt but he did have very very good skills

[Talon]

i admire that he will talk **** to anyone at any time, fight anyone at any time, and basically do whatever he wants. hes a tru thug and hes not even affiliated as far as i know. he rolls solo throwing bolo's and elbows from long distance you can smell bones and sell those, body parts at the nearest meat market. and all you ni ggas that got the heat start ****, cuz im the watcher