Why Exactly Is James Toney So Revered?

[Fox McCloud]

Are you serious ?? ... so you think jones and hopkins are better ? .. man, rjj was really good in his prime im not gonna doubt that, but he was so good because of his speed. He never fought the best, jt wants to only fight the best, man i could go on and on but i cbf .

That's what I mean by skillwise.

When it comes to skill, he doesn't stand up to Hopkins and Jones.

Resume wise, it might be a different story, but I would chalk that up to Hopkins being stranded in a ****ty middleweight division and Jones just not fighting the people he could have.

[Jd_macca]

That's what I mean by skillwise.

When it comes to skill, he doesn't stand up to Hopkins and Jones.

Resume wise, it might be a different story, but I would chalk that up to Hopkins being stranded in a ****ty middleweight division and Jones just not fighting the people he could have.

Nah man ... speed isn't a skill , have you seen RJJ stand in front of someone and **** with them?... ill say RJJ is was more athletic than JT, in his prime. But look at RJJ now, he's gettin knocked out by Danny green, He relied on his speed. Exactly, you said it , "Jones not fighting the people he could have". Now who are you gonna respect more ?... the guy who ducked people?.. or the guy who fights all the best ?

[Spray_resistant]

Nah man ... speed isn't a skill , have you seen RJJ stand in front of someone and **** with them?... ill say RJJ is was more athletic than JT, in his prime. But look at RJJ now, he's gettin knocked out by Danny green, He relied on his speed. Exactly, you said it , "Jones not fighting the people he could have". Now who are you gonna respect more ?... the guy who ducked people?.. or the guy who fights all the best ?

Exactly right, even though he lost to Jones he was a better more refined boxer than him.

The ability was just so great that Toney's technique couldn't over come.

RJJ's decline has exposed the fact that he actually is very lacking in terms of defensive skill.

[Fox McCloud]

Nah man ... speed isn't a skill , have you seen RJJ stand in front of someone and **** with them?... ill say RJJ is was more athletic than JT, in his prime. But look at RJJ now, he's gettin knocked out by Danny green, He relied on his speed. Exactly, you said it , "Jones not fighting the people he could have". Now who are you gonna respect more ?... the guy who ducked people?.. or the guy who fights all the best ?

I see where the breakdown in understand was. What you call skill, I call technique. What I mean by skill is just anything that makes a boxer good and helps him to win his fights.

I think Sergei Dzinziruk is far and away the best technical fighter in the sport right now, but he is definitely not the best fighter in the sport, so I don't think he is the most skilled. I hope that helps to make the distinction I'm trying to make.

Toney is a technical ATG. I'm not dis*****g that. He just couldn't put it to work against a lot of the people he fought.

I didn't say that I didn't respect Toney either... Toney has had a really good career.

People just act like he was unbeatable in his prime, but... yeah, he almost/should have gotten beat so many times before he actually lost to Jones that it's just too much to turn a blind eye to.

[Jd_macca]

I see where the breakdown in understand was. What you call skill, I call technique. What I mean by skill is just anything that makes a boxer good and helps him to win his fights.

I think Sergei Dzinziruk is far and away the best technical fighter in the sport right now, but he is definitely not the best fighter in the sport, so I don't think he is the most skilled. I hope that helps to make the distinction I'm trying to make.

Toney is a technical ATG. I'm not dis*****g that. He just couldn't put it to work against a lot of the people he fought.

I didn't say that I didn't respect Toney either... Toney has had a really good career.

People just act like he was unbeatable in his prime, but... yeah, he almost/should have gotten beat so many times before he actually lost to Jones that it's just too much to turn a blind eye to.

Ohh ok .. hehhe glad we're on the same page .... but ill always put toney above hopkins and jones

[Fox McCloud]

Ohh ok .. hehhe glad we're on the same page .... but ill always put toney above hopkins and jones

Idk why you would Hopkins...

Hopkins has a perfect style... I mean, obviously, he's still winning big fights at age 45.

Not to mention that he seriously cleaned out middleweight, gave Trinidad and Glen Johnson their first losses, gathered all 4 ABC belts at 160, barely lost twice to Taylor, when both could have gone to him, defeated lineal king Tarver at 175, beat Wright who was P4P #3 at the time, almost beat undefeated Calzaghe and embarrassed Pavlik.

Hard to find any holes in any of that.

[Tampatrader0468]

what can u not like about james toney in the ring? He is a beast or was a beast... much like roy jones he is gone and past his prime and needs to go away and open a gym... well toney can open a donut/steroid industry now, but u can't strip him of his accomplishment. He was one of the best for a good period of time... James Toney is still a beast in my book.

[Jd_macca]

Idk why you would Hopkins...

Hopkins has a perfect style... I mean, obviously, he's still winning big fights at age 45.

Not to mention that he seriously cleaned out middleweight, gave Trinidad and Glen Johnson their first losses, gathered all 4 ABC belts at 160, barely lost twice to Taylor, when both could have gone to him, defeated lineal king Tarver at 175, beat Wright who was P4P #3 at the time, almost beat undefeated Calzaghe and embarrassed Pavlik.

Hard to find any holes in any of that.

yeah true . Idk, i think its the fact that hopkins always picked on smaller guys, and JT always goes for the biggest, baddest out there, but hopkins is pretty good man.

[Fox McCloud]

yeah true . Idk, i think its the fact that hopkins always picked on smaller guys, and JT always goes for the biggest, baddest out there, but hopkins is pretty good man.

Hopkins picked on small guys out of necessity. The entire middleweight division had been cleaned out at that point. It was 154 pounders, or moving up. He wanted to get to 20 defenses, so he fought 154 pounders. To be fair, a lot of them were good 154 pounders, like Jackson, De La Hoya, Trinidad, etc.

[donkim]

Anyone who doesn't wish to give Montell Griffin credit for beating fat Toney,then I hope you also won't give fat Toney credit for beating Mike McCallum in their rematch.

Solid response.

The guy who is supposedly one of the best defensive counterpunchers ever got his ass beat by Michael Nunn, who threw a thousand punches, meaning he had a thousand counter opportunities.

Have you even watched the Nunn-Toney fight? because I have my doubts in you claiming that Nunn "beat" Toney's ass.Michael Nunn may have been ahead,but that would have been through workrate and workrate alone.He didn't really outbox fat Toney,and his punches were weak and not particularly accurate.