Can you become a better boxer after 25?

[apokalips]

I don't think he's being wholly serious with that quote...Didn't he used to praise Manny before? Obviously he doesn't think Manny was ordinary its just hype and stoking the flames trying to get reaction from the public and from Pacquiao's team, just like Roach when he says Mayweather is a coward etc.

[hugh grant]

Pac was a champ at 21 so he was never ordinary. RIght from the outset he had talent.

David Haye lost to old man carl thompson,when haye was young and has improved so it really is ridiculous what pbF has said.

He cant seem to come to terms that there is one man on the planet rated higher than him. Is it so hard to imagine one person out of 6 bilion being better than you PBF?

[rao007]

[QUOTE=cixthree;7436737]

and how does he get fighter of the year and decade if his opposition is that weak according to you?

That's my point...it's either he's roiding, weak opponents, or it's both....you guys can't keeping saying he has ****ty opponents than say "he massacred Diaz once he got Ariza after moving up to 135"

I'm not saying Pacquiao is helping his case by offering a cut off date of 24 days but their should be a better argument to try suggest he's on PEDs.

Valero plans to move up to 140 after his next title defense...and when he starts KOing guys like Hatton we'll have to start saying he's roiding because he started at 126, and there is a strong possibility he might even go up to 147 to chase after Pacquiao.

[cixthree]

[QUOTE=rao007;7436854]

That's my point...it's either he's roiding, weak opponents, or it's both....you guys can't keeping saying he has ****ty opponents than say "he massacred Diaz once he got Ariza after moving up to 135"

I'm not saying Pacquiao is helping his case by offering a cut off date of 24 days but their should be a better argument to try suggest he's on PEDs.

Valero plans to move up to 140 after his next title defense...and when he starts KOing guys like Hatton we'll have to start saying he's roiding because he started at 126, and there is a strong possibility he might even go up to 147 to chase after Pacquiao.

You once asked me, "How many Pac fights have I seen" I ask you "How many Pac fights have you seen?"
I'm not even talking about the KOs, I'm speaking on the "New" Pacquiao I've seen in the last 2 years. Its almost like you deny that there is something different.

The reason I say Diaz was weak is because Pac fans hype him to be a monster... Diaz is no monster.. Pac fans say Hatton was a monster and look at what Pac did to him... Hatton is and was no monster.. Cotto is this and that and look at what Pac did to him, sorry Thats not the same Cotto as before.

Point is
People deny whats in front of them because they either dont want to see it, are too dumb to know or flat out dont care..
People want to think Manny is some God, but NO. Manny has JUST become this monster and I question why..
All the suspect moves and statements, the backtracking dodging and lies... Dude, I'm not dumb or ****** and I dont have selective hearing or memory.

Team Pac seems to be hiding something, I wont say what it is cause I dont know but it sure seems Barry Bondish to me. Sorry

[rao007]

[QUOTE=cixthree;7437937]

You once asked me, "How many Pac fights have I seen" I ask you "How many Pac fights have you seen?"
I'm not even talking about the KOs, I'm speaking on the "New" Pacquiao I've seen in the last 2 years. Its almost like you deny that there is something different.

The reason I say Diaz was weak is because Pac fans hype him to be a monster... Diaz is no monster.. Pac fans say Hatton was a monster and look at what Pac did to him... Hatton is and was no monster.. Cotto is this and that and look at what Pac did to him, sorry Thats not the same Cotto as before.

Point is
People deny whats in front of them because they either dont want to see it, are too dumb to know or flat out dont care..
People want to think Manny is some God, but NO. Manny has JUST become this monster and I question why..
All the suspect moves and statements, the backtracking dodging and lies... Dude, I'm not dumb or ****** and I dont have selective hearing or memory.

Team Pac seems to be hiding something, I wont say what it is cause I dont know but it sure seems Barry Bondish to me. Sorry

And I will tell you....I have seen all of Pacquiao's fights since he's moved stateside starting with Ledwaba...and if you can actually tell me that the present Pacquiao, as a boxer, looks the same as when he first fought Eric Morales, Barrera, Marquez...then there is no point in continuing with this argument.

If improved right hooks, uppercuts, jabs is all a biproduct of PEDs....sign me up. If getting a certified conditioning coach and nutritionist doesn't help either I don't know what will, the former which Pacquiao lacked since he worked with Justine Fortune for the past 7/8 years until recently.


And no, Pacquiao is not God, and I don't exactly know what the relevance is other than to take jab at a 3rd world country's status. Drawing up hasty conclusions to try a validate the reasons why people are denying what's in front of them, in Pacquiao case, seems to come up short with sound reasoning, but I don't deny that the recent allegations has brought a cloud of su****ion over Packy's head.

I don't really see the Barry Bond link---Pacquiao was never really small to begin with.

[Roy Hobbs]

There's been plenty of boxers that got better with age just from this time period alone. From nate campbell, bernard hopkins, antonio tarver, & manny pacquiao, & even juan manuel marquez there's been plenty of fighters that got much better as they get older. Their bodies mature more & so does their mentality & discipline. It was a ignorant statement by floyd.

[Allucard]

That was a ****** statement. 25 is late to start, but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to believe that Pac has better training, nutrition, and conditioning now that he's a superstar.

Should we believe a dedicated hater? (someone who will waste time on photoshop trying to make Floyd look bad)

[studentofthegam]

How about reading the quote again. He said you dont go from being mediocure to great after 25. Great fighter start out with somethin extra. You know "IT". There are no fighters that get "IT" all of a sudden.

[rao007]

How about reading the quote again. He said you dont go from being mediocure to great after 25. Great fighter start out with somethin extra. You know "IT". There are no fighters that get "IT" all of a sudden.

You mean as in pacquiao knocking down Barrera and Marquez in their initial battles even though the guy could hardly box during the time when he was 24/25? Is that the "it" factor?

[tanibanana]

ofcourse.. 25 is not an old dog.
heck there are ATG's/HOF'ers who's first world title comes after the age 25..