Can you become a better boxer after 25?

[tanibanana]

There's been plenty of boxers that got better with age just from this time period alone. From nate campbell, bernard hopkins, antonio tarver, & manny pacquiao, & even juan manuel marquez there's been plenty of fighters that got much better as they get older. Their bodies mature more & so does their mentality & discipline. It was a ignorant statement by floyd.

this dude deserve a round of applause..
simple & right on the cherry.

[cixthree]

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And I will tell you....I have seen all of Pacquiao's fights since he's moved stateside starting with Ledwaba...and if you can actually tell me that the present Pacquiao, as a boxer, looks the same as when he first fought Eric Morales, Barrera, Marquez...then there is no point in continuing with this argument.

If improved right hooks, uppercuts, jabs is all a biproduct of PEDs....sign me up. If getting a certified conditioning coach and nutritionist doesn't help either I don't know what will, the former which Pacquiao lacked since he worked with Justine Fortune for the past 7/8 years until recently.


And no, Pacquiao is not God, and I don't exactly know what the relevance is other than to take jab at a 3rd world country's status. Drawing up hasty conclusions to try a validate the reasons why people are denying what's in front of them, in Pacquiao case, seems to come up short with sound reasoning, but I don't deny that the recent allegations has brought a cloud of su****ion over Packy's head.

I don't really see the Barry Bond link---Pacquiao was never really small to begin with.

If you have seen all of Pacs fights then you know damn well what I'm talking about (Jabs, uppercuts ect)
Pacs wind has damn near tripled in what seems like overnight. That does not happen and you know it.

You seem like a pretty smart guy and I'll assume it's just the loyalty to your fighter that keeps you defending him. But I'll also assume you see a different Pac recently but it wont be wise to just say that.

So how much do you know about Alex Ariza? Whats his background and what other boxers have benifitted from this special blend he brags about?
And tell me since you seem to know it all, Why does Pac not know what he's taking?
I mean, he just met Alex and he just puts what he gives him in his body, no questions? Shyt, he's known Freddy what, 7-8 years. Freddy has a hard time giving him shakes and vitamins...

I respect your loyalty but really, I question your honesty about what you see happening here.
I hope you dont take that as a disrespect, it's not

[BrushMyCage]

you can still learn to play guitar even if youre 50 yr old...

[baracuda]

mayweather is that smart.....he also said he's dominated the sport for 15 years in joe buck live when in fact he's only been in for 13 years, retiring for 2 years......13 minus 2 equals 11....mofo is years off in a basic math problem........lol

[brently1979]

Pac is a perfect example of this.

[incredible]

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree?


Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight"

That's a crock of **** coming out Jr.s mouth. Anybody who has the will, desire, passion, motivation, ablity, and the right people behind them can become great. Mayweather just an idiot who wouldn't know anything about that.!

[MidnightBliss]

The massive flaw in that statement is that Pacquiao was never ordinary or an average fighter. He was just unrefined, major, major difference. Pacquiao was always an extraordinary talent with an awkward style, and once he was refined, well, we see what he is now.

Great post

[indystress]

Not totally but.
If a person would take the time and pay attention, they will see that it is very strange.
I've sat and watched Mannys 5 fights before the Diaz fight. Manny has and pretty much does fight the same way, besides using his right a lil more now.

But if you pay attention you'll see that before the Diaz fight, Manny would lose gas even after round 3.
Freddy has been training Manny for years, nothing has changed except his right is better. Same footwork, same movement and same defense.

I'm sure after all the years under Freddy Mannys way of training has not changed all that much. A few tweeks here and there yes, but for the most part its the same routine.

Morales 1 Manny gets schooled, they both land hard shots.
After rnd 2 manny is gassing out, getting rocked and rocking EM also but nothing out of the ordinary.
Fights 2 and 3 were typical Pac wins, still nothing out of the ordinary.

Pac vs JMM 1 and 2. Back and forth wars, Pac landing and JMM landing. Both gassing towards the later rounds, typical.
The HBO announcers are even saying, "All the wars seem to be catching up to Pac"
They were basing that on his last few fights, seeing a decline.

NOW
Pac ads Alex Ariza, moves to 135 and Destroys Diaz in 9. The announcers praise Pac and are impressed at how fast he has gotten
And how ripped he is.
So what happend?

Did Freddy change something? I'm not pointing to PEDs but, is it the suppaments that Alex is giving him now?

Pac became a ripped motor when Alex came. He got faster, stronger and his endurance doubled overnight it seems.
We all know what happend to Oscar, Hatton and Cotto so no need to go there.
But this Pac aint the same Pac from his last 50 fights.
This Pac showed up when they got Alex. Its odd because its like overnight he became a Monster!

I love Pac but unless you really pay attention to who he has been all these years you won't see it.
And I'm sorry but I can't buy it.

dude, if u ask me...
since the diaz fight,
pacquaio has fought more as a boxer, meaning throwing jabs, going in and out, move side to side, and throwing 3,4,5, 6 combo punches...it carried over to delahoya, to hatton and cotto.

although pacquiao beat morales II and morales III, manny did look somewhat wild at times...but things got polished and improved from diaz and up.

[$Bullsfam$]

Um...definitely possibly. If you find a world class trainer. Everything changes. ****** statement. Would expect better out of Mayweather. I just want to see these too go at it already.

[DiLLiNGER]

i dont think you can skills wise.