Can you become a better boxer after 25?

[rao007]

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree?


Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight"

[CarlosG815]

That was a ****** statement. 25 is late to start, but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to believe that Pac has better training, nutrition, and conditioning now that he's a superstar.

[Sicario]

Ivan calderon started at the age and look at him now, undefeated 2 weight class champ

[cixthree]

Not totally but.
If a person would take the time and pay attention, they will see that it is very strange.
I've sat and watched Mannys 5 fights before the Diaz fight. Manny has and pretty much does fight the same way, besides using his right a lil more now.

But if you pay attention you'll see that before the Diaz fight, Manny would lose gas even after round 3.
Freddy has been training Manny for years, nothing has changed except his right is better. Same footwork, same movement and same defense.

I'm sure after all the years under Freddy Mannys way of training has not changed all that much. A few tweeks here and there yes, but for the most part its the same routine.

Morales 1 Manny gets schooled, they both land hard shots.
After rnd 2 manny is gassing out, getting rocked and rocking EM also but nothing out of the ordinary.
Fights 2 and 3 were typical Pac wins, still nothing out of the ordinary.

Pac vs JMM 1 and 2. Back and forth wars, Pac landing and JMM landing. Both gassing towards the later rounds, typical.
The HBO announcers are even saying, "All the wars seem to be catching up to Pac"
They were basing that on his last few fights, seeing a decline.

NOW
Pac ads Alex Ariza, moves to 135 and Destroys Diaz in 9. The announcers praise Pac and are impressed at how fast he has gotten
And how ripped he is.
So what happend?

Did Freddy change something? I'm not pointing to PEDs but, is it the suppaments that Alex is giving him now?

Pac became a ripped motor when Alex came. He got faster, stronger and his endurance doubled overnight it seems.
We all know what happend to Oscar, Hatton and Cotto so no need to go there.
But this Pac aint the same Pac from his last 50 fights.
This Pac showed up when they got Alex. Its odd because its like overnight he became a Monster!

I love Pac but unless you really pay attention to who he has been all these years you won't see it.
And I'm sorry but I can't buy it.

[ModernTalking]

Manny Pacquiao is named fighter of the decade and Floyd is just jealous of him....end of discussion.

[shadeyfizzle]

Mayweather doesn't think so.....Do you agree?


Mayweather: "Manny wouldn't take a $25 million drug test. I'm trying to clean up sports, make a change... You don't start off your career as average, and then after your turn 25, become extraordinary... All we want is for Pacman to take a $25 million dollar drug test, and we got a fight"

He should ask Bernard Hopkins or Roberto Duran. Neither became big time fighters until their mid 30s.

[rao007]

Not totally but.
If a person would take the time and pay attention, they will see that it is very strange.
I've sat and watched Mannys 5 fights before the Diaz fight. Manny has and pretty much does fight the same way, besides using his right a lil more now.

But if you pay attention you'll see that before the Diaz fight, Manny would lose gas even after round 3.
Freddy has been training Manny for years, nothing has changed except his right is better. Same footwork, same movement and same defense.

I'm sure after all the years under Freddy Mannys way of training has not changed all that much. A few tweeks here and there yes, but for the most part its the same routine.

Morales 1 Manny gets schooled, they both land hard shots.
After rnd 2 manny is gassing out, getting rocked and rocking EM also but nothing out of the ordinary.
Fights 2 and 3 were typical Pac wins, still nothing out of the ordinary.

Pac vs JMM 1 and 2. Back and forth wars, Pac landing and JMM landing. Both gassing towards the later rounds, typical.
The HBO announcers are even saying, "All the wars seem to be catching up to Pac"
They were basing that on his last few fights, seeing a decline.

NOW
Pac ads Alex Ariza, moves to 135 and Destroys Diaz in 9. The announcers praise Pac and are impressed at how fast he has gotten
And how ripped he is.
So what happend?

Did Freddy change something? I'm not pointing to PEDs but, is it the suppaments that Alex is giving him now?

Pac became a ripped motor when Alex came. He got faster, stronger and his endurance doubled overnight it seems.
We all know what happend to Oscar, Hatton and Cotto so no need to go there.
But this Pac aint the same Pac from his last 50 fights.
This Pac showed up when they got Alex. Its odd because its like overnight he became a Monster!

I love Pac but unless you really pay attention to who he has been all these years you won't see it.
And I'm sorry but I can't buy it.

Can I ask something? How many fights have you seen of Pacquiao? Honestly.

[mandirigma]

Dumb statement..Classic

[rao007]

Justine Fortune was his conditioning coach. A guy with no actual degree in sports medicine.

[cixthree]

[QUOTE=rao007;7436104]Can I ask something? How many fights have you seen of Pacquiao? Honestly.[/QUOTE I believe I have 22 fights of his, I haven't been able to find them all yet.
I'll usually order dvd packages when I see the fights I don't have on the menu. Why do you ask?

If you question my boxing IQ or how long I've been a boxing fan, I go all the way back to ABC wide world of sports.