Understandable and you're right, but this debate revolves around the principles involved, in this case Mayweather and Pac, not Golden Boy or Oscar. I'm strictly discussing the words of the man involved directly in the fight...Mayweather and how his own words leave a lot to be desired, overall I'm in agreement with you.
Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Talks Manny Pacquiao and Steroids
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finally!!! a voice of reason!!!The bottom line here, is whether you like Mayweather or not, everyone should be all for cleaning up the sport of boxing and support random blood tests. With all the these athletes coming up dirty in numerous other sports, there is simply no rational reason to be agaist it. And the excuses from Manny, his team and his nuthugger fans have really damaged his reputation with the general public.
He's always going to have his hardcore fans who will never think he's on the juice, but the rest of us are going to wonder if he's clean or not unitl he takes a freaking blood test with no restrictions.Comment
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Not always. It's about how much punishment you take, and whether you change your style. It's not about size as such. Ali aged badly. Carlos Ortiz aged well. Pac hasn't taken much punishment; and his change in style is down to Roach.
The fact is that Hopkins started as a puncher and morphed into a defensive master and he improved dramatically when he did so. Pac also changed his style, under Roach, and improved dramatically as a result. And you could tell that Manny had real ability in his early fights. He improved dramatically under Roach, but he was already a two weight world champion by the time he first met Roach.Hopkins situation is much different then Manny's he has been roughly the same for a long perior of time even before the Tito fight he was really good, the Roy Jones fight was a ****ty fight and Jones clearly won but Jones at that point was doing people much worse so you could tell Hopkins was someone of real abilityLast edited by Dave Rado; 01-31-2010, 05:07 PM.Comment
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I totaly agree with Floyd...
I totaly agree with Floyd in that all fighters should take mandatory blood & urine tests all the way until & after the fight...There is no advantage since both fighter's are going threw the same proses & it would really help clean up the sport & it won't leave any doubts afterwords(for example;like now with Pacquiao)Comment
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When was Pac an ordinary fighter? Floyd's ability to say dumb things is always awesome.Floyd Mayweather Jr. recently spoke to DJ Whoo Kid about his upcoming fight with WBA welterweight champion Shane Mosley on May 1 and the broken negotiations to make a deal for a fight with Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather said the Mosley fight is done for May 1. He plans to start training very soon and the pre-fight hype will begin in the next few days. [Click Here To Read More]Comment
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I disagree he is not that different, and he has been with Roach for a long time. The only think different is he throws a couple different punches that rounds out things but he does not really fight any differently. He has taken his fair share of punishment fighting more then 50 times in an offensive style takes something out of anyone, also Manny is not known for his spartan lifestyle even if he trains really hard. He was always a good fighter but the point Floyd is making still stands, nothing you or anyone for that matter have said makes me think otherwise.Not always. It's about how much punishment you take, and whether you change your style. It's not about size as such. Ali aged badly. Carlos Ortiz aged well. Pac hasn't taken much punishment; and his change in style is down to Roach.
The fact is that Hopkins started as a puncher and morphed into a defensive master and he improved dramatically when he did so. Pac also changed his style, under Roach, and improved dramatically as a result. And you could tell that Manny had real ability in his early fights. He improved dramatically under Roach, but he was already a two weight world champion by the time he first met Roach.
Ali aged just fine he was sweet, was forced to leave the sport then came back and did big things he was not a young man when he made Foreman look like a fool and he was not a better version later on he was just able to maintain a high level. You are throwing out example that mean nothing since they are not like circumstances.Comment
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I never liked little floyd but I got to admit it, The man is right. All you Pac man fans know he's on PED's but don't want to believe it because he's your favorite fighter. I know exactly how you feel cuz I felt the same way about Barry Bonds, didn't wanna believe it cuz I'm a Giants fan but I knew he was Ped's.Comment
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good post dude.Hopkins was not considered a really world class fighter until he beat Trinidad at the age of 36. And he improved dramatically when he changed his style. The version of Hopkins who lost almost every round to Jones was nothing like as good as the version who won almost every round against Trinidad.
Pacquiao's record up to the age of 25 was far better than Hopkins' record up to the age of 30.
And no one claimed that what Pacquiao has achieved is commonplace. But if you think that anyone who achieves anything that is not commonplace must be on drugs, then by your own logic, Hopkins must be on drugs. If you don't think that about Hopkins then it is serious and malicious double standards to assume that about Pacquiao.Comment
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