Pac and Roach wanted Shane at 143!!!!!!!! WTF?

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Does training camp remove any rust that a fighter might have?

Only a professional fighter could tell us that. I know Floyd mentioned in the 24/7 that.... that **** was coming back to him by the seconds DURING training camp.

Shane wasnt retired he was just lazy.

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Why????????????

why? da**** you mean why? read the rest of my post...where was the rematch? dude gave his ass a mother****in title shot without EARNING any MW credibility and he ducked his ass...


you know what he ended up doing? he ended fighting Donny ****in Lalonde and then instead of rematching Marvin, he rematches Tommy instead...8 years after their first fight

and to top that, i thought he LOST to Tommy and guess what, as with the Marvin fight the judges gave it to his ass

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why? da**** you mean why? read the rest of my post...where was the rematch? dude gave his ass a mother****in title shot without EARNING any MW credibility and he ducked his ass...


you know what he ended up doing? he ended fighting Donny ****in Lalonde and then instead of rematching Marvin, he rematches Tommy instead...8 years after their first fight

and to top that, i thought he LOST to Tommy and guess what, as with the Marvin fight the judges gave it to his ass

Great points. I hate the man love SRL gets for being this ****ing warrior with some of the **** he pulled.

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All of a sudden Diaz is soo great??? Baldomir was the lineal champ too but why dosn't Floyd get the credit he deserves for that fight????

so you're telling me De La Hoya was not dehydrated??? answer the question and dont duck it....

was Whitaker coming off a savage plaster beating, and 2 more wars???? thats what i thought

JRO, you only see one side of the coin when it comes to pacquiao, fact

Diaz was never great... nobody says he was... Nobody claims that Diaz was better than Campbell or Casamayor at the time... But, he was undefeated, he was a title holder, and he was ranked in the top 3... But, here is the more important factor Diaz was Pac first fight in his 5 weight-class, yes that is 5 weight-classes... Now lets go to Floyd... his first fight in his 3rd weight-class not 5th but 3rd he fights a fighter who was not in the top 5 but in the top 10 but was coming off a loss... Floyd in his first fight in his 4 weight-class fought a fighter who was not even ranked in the top 10... Think about that for a second... let that sink in... And, tell me was the Diaz fight that bad of a choice as your first fight at a new weight? Lets be real...

Yes Oscar... But, is that Pac fault? Did he make do it? Did he ask him to do it? Was Oscar not planning on fight Cotto at 147 before Margarito ruined it? Was Oscar not planning on fight Hatton at 147 after Pacquiao?

Is a fact that Margarito had plaster with Cotto or you just assuming? Are we not going to stick with facts here?

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Great points. I hate the man love SRL gets for being this ****ing warrior with some of the **** he pulled.

Leonard was a great fighter and he deserves his props but for those that were old enough to understand, many of us didn't buy his bull****

he was quick to demand a rematch against Duran after he lost so he could redeem himself but he never gave Marvin the same courtesy...he was a great fighter but alot of his antics irritated fight fans

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Diaz was never great... nobody says he was... Nobody claims that Diaz was better than Campbell or Casamayor at the time... But, he was undefeated, he was a title holder, and he was ranked in the top 3... But, here is the more important factor Diaz was Pac first fight in his 5 weight-class, yes that is 5 weight-classes... Now lets go to Floyd... his first fight in his 3rd weight-class not 5th but 3rd he fights a fighter who was not in the top 5 but in the top 10 but was coming off a loss... Floyd in his first fight in his 4 weight-class fought a fighter who was not even ranked in the top 10... Think about that for a second... let that sink in... And, tell me was the Diaz fight that bad of a choice as your first fight at a new weight? Lets be real...

Yes Oscar... But, is that Pac fault? Did he make do it? Did he ask him to do it? Was Oscar not planning on fight Cotto at 147 before Margarito ruined it? Was Oscar not planning on fight Hatton at 147 after Pacquiao?

Is a fact that Margarito had plaster with Cotto or you just assuming? Are we not going to stick with facts here?

WOW.

Oscar said he planned on going to 140 after the Pac fight. Did you believe that?

Do you believe Marg DIDNT cheat against Cotto?

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Leonard was a great fighter and he deserves his props but for those that were old enough to understand, many of us didn't buy his bull****

he was quick to demand a rematch against Duran after he lost so he could redeem himself but he never gave Marvin the same courtesy...he was a great fighter but alot of his antics irritated fight fans

Im only 23 but I hear **** about the old timers from my Dad all the time and I read and research ****.

What made me NOT like him was that press confrence that was one of the most awkward and disturbing things I have ever seen. I mean Hagler had his family there for Gods sake. Str8 up Prick.

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Hagler-Leonard 2...as a kid, this fight not happening was my first true taste of boxing politics and shenanigans


as i got older and understood more, the more it irritated me...just from the business standpoint...you know how much interest the public had? how much revenue that could have produced?

i think Marvin and Ray were destined to have one of the most epic trilogies in our sport and it didn't happen because of one guy


and to add insult to injury, not getting a rematch irked Marvin so much that it made him quit the sport...cutting short a magnificent career

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Im only 23 but I hear **** about the old timers from my Dad all the time and I read and research ****.

What made me NOT like him was that press confrence that was one of the most awkward and disturbing things I have ever seen. I mean Hagler had his family there for Gods sake. Str8 up Prick.

trust me, IF the Leonard era was in the internet era, it wouldn't be all love...there are ****ers like me that still get pissed thinkin about his bull****

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and Pernell not getting a rematch against Chavez pisses me off too