UNDEFEATED Records = SU****IOUSNESS; Yea im back SNITCHES!

[Easy-E]

No its not.. Infact amateur from the US are better then most pros from a third world country.

Trying to make claims that Floyd is not great because of his amateur losses is ******, biased and completely ignorant.
You are displaying a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the sport of boxing.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

I have always said and always will say: "If a fighter is undefeated, they simply did not try hard enough"

That applies to everyone. No Exceptions.

thank you dean for keeping it real.

Ricardo Lopez

LOL, Dontasemebrah is probably scrambling trying to find out who ricardo lopez is. Typical.

Let me ask you how many ricardo lopez fights have you seen? How many do you own?

I have 7 on tape, as in i have & own 7 copies of ricardo lopez fights. I have his fights vs hideyuki ohashi in japan as a young title contender, his 2 fights vs rosendo alvarez in the twilight of his career, vs puerto rican alex sanchez, vs saman sorjaturong his 7th defense sorjaturong later went on to beat mexican legend chiquita gonzalez, & his 2 back to back fights vs 2 filipino boxers his 14th & 15th title defense against andy tabanas & ala villafor.

I dont get a email or cell phone text when you respond to my quote. Forgive me for not responding to you in the timely manner you want, but i have this thing called a JOB. You should look into it. Ive already described a little info on ricardo lopez. Yes he is a great fighter, i said that much but i also mentioned that he should have moved up in weight to challenge himself more.

that what i've been saying all the time, undefeated doesn't = greatness. what makes a fighter great is what he does after a loss, how he deals with the loss, if he avenges the loss or at least tries too, but the great things a fighter does after a loss is what makes them great.

perfect example is hamed, everyone was calling him great and said he's the g.o.a.t this and that, then he had one loss and a less than entertaining come back fight where he got a less than impressive win, a win that got him boo'd by his hometown crowd, and then never to be seen again. never to do a great thing after his loss, which in my eyes and the eyes of many makes a great fighter, the great accomplishments after a loss........ hamed never came close, nothing but hype and well selected opponents.

the fact that the greatest fighters ever have losses is proof perfect. undefeated to me means a fighter hasn't been matched right.

the only fighter that i can say that should be undefeated and wouldn't be doubted if he was undefeated, which he has one loss, is Aaron Pryor.......

Exactly. That is the true test of a champions hear, will & determination. How they overcome from adversity. Hamed is a perfect example. Both Fraudulent jr. & hamed have excessively high delusions of grandeur. Only difference is hamed fought a real, true, great fight in barerra in barerra's prime. Fraudulent jr. has no one on his resume as good as barerra.

Jordan never lost a finals series :blow:

But agreed, no one really buys undefeated = greatest. Not in boxing atleast!

Jordan lost plenty of times. Plenty. He lost to the pistons & celtics. But that's what made him a great player. He didnt retire, give up, or develop a coke habit, he showed true championship grit & heart got better along with his team & overcame those obstacles. MJ learned he had to lose in order to learn how to win.

The New England Patriots went 16-0 2 years ago.

The Miami Dolphins went undefeated as well before.

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What happend in the championship game ALT? giants 17, patriots 14.

You know why that happend? because the patriots couldnt cherry pick & choose & duck their opposition. They had to fight the best. Just like tiger woods, just like michael jordan, just like roger federer, just like every true great legendary sportsman.

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[Gutz]

Trying to make claims that Floyd is not great because of his amateur losses is ******, biased and completely ignorant.
You are displaying a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the sport of boxing.

First off I was quoting some other fool (Soir) who said cause Pac got KOed
early in his career make Pac not great..

and all I was pointing out that Pac loss at the same age at Floyd in the amateur. So this make Floyd not great either. With his logic..


So get off my nuts..

[Imhotep]

valid points, im a floyd fan but i also know he dodged a few fighters.
ide greek K u if i could

Can you name any of the fighters he ducked?And Floyd not fighting them cause he does`nt like the money he`s getting or fighters that never called him out don`t count.

[Imhotep]

Show me a undefeated fighter & I'll show you somebody who hasnt really fought anybody....


Undefeated Records is a mirage. Undefeated records is the hot chick with a missing toe or has a 500mg prescription of valacyclovir.

The greatness of fighters who retire undefeated or currently active can be misleading & should be taken with a grain of salt.

From Rocky Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, to Joe Calzaghe, & to now Fraudulent Mayweather jr., undefeated fighters are su****ious.

Marciano- almost of all of his notable wins were past their prime. I read somewhere his average age of opponents were close to mid 30s. Marciano's record should have a loss, i think in his fight with ezzard charles his nose was grotesquely cut, any other fighter they would have stopped the fight. But since he was going for the undefeated record they let him fight on. Marciano is a great fighter but you wont find any historians saying he's the greatest heavyweight let alone of all time because of his undefeated record.

Ricardo Lopez - 51-0. the great minimum weight boxer trained by nacho beristain is one of the best fighters to come out of mexico but he was a underrated star in his prime. He falls behind julio cesar chavez & my favorite fighter of all time salvador sanchez, as mexico's greatest, most revered fighters. I feel as though he should have went up in weight & challenged himself.

Joe Calzaghe - enough said.

Fraudulent Mayweather - ditto. this fraud has the nerve to say he's the G.O.A.T because he never lost. Whats worse is, some people actually believe it & treat him as such. The reason why i hate this fraud is he disrespects other fighters & had the audacity to say he's better than sugar ray robinson, leonard, & ali because they lost. How can you even claim that when the best fighters on your resume is Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, ricky hatton, & oscar de la hoya?

Zsolt Erdai is undefeated. So is Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Joe Calzaghe has more wins than Fraudulent jr., does that mean Calzaghe is better? Hell, joe has two legitimate bonafide greats on his resume, unlike fraudulent jr. who has borderline greats but they get passed off as some full fledged hall of fame locks for the purpose of propping up mayweather.

TRUE GREATNESS NEEDS VERIFICATION. IT NEEDS VERIFICATION IN THE FORM OF GETTING IN THE RING WITH OTHER TRUE GREAT FIGHTERS.

ATG needs verification again, again, & again.


Ray Leonard has lost.
Ray Robinson has lost.
Muhammad Ali has lost.
Michael Jordan has lost.
Roger Federer has lost.
Usain Bolt has lost.
Tom Brady has lost.
Payton Manning has lost.
Tiger Woods has lost.

Every true great legendary fighter has lost. Every true great legendary team or individual sportman has lost.

True greatness means how you respond to a loss. How you challenged yourself. How do you know what you are made of if you have never been put in a dire challenging situation?

LOSSES & DRAWS = a mark of a warrior. they are battle scars. It signifies that you have been challenged by other greats.

NOBODY IS UNBEATABLE. NOBODY.



As for the dbag who reported me & got me tased for a harmless "mayweather mafia is in a precarious situation" thread i made;



Im sorry you feel that way......

Is there anything on you *******s mind besides Floyd.Even when Floyd was retired you *******s/Foyd haters would still talk about Floyd.If Floyd did`nt exist you people would be living caves and never would come out.

[jrosales13]

Break down who he didn't fight, who he avoided, and why his undefeated records smells of su****ion.

I can answer that question if you want?

[-Reflexes-]

I can answer that question if you want?

I want to hear this. Who did Floyd duck???

Oh after you respond can you post who Pac avoided.

[jrosales13]

I want to hear this. Who did Floyd duck???

Oh after you respond can you post who Pac avoided.

I was talking about Ricardo Lopez...

I have gone through great detail with who Floyd avoided... if his fans want to forget history so be it... if they want to act ****** and pretend like that **** didn't then fine... but I am not going to keep repeating myself....

[-Reflexes-]

I was talking about Ricardo Lopez...

I have gone through great detail with who Floyd avoided... if his fans want to forget history so be it... if they want to act ****** and pretend like that **** didn't then fine... but I am not going to keep repeating myself....

Thats cool. Can you post who Pac, and Cotto avoided.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

I want to hear this. Who did Floyd duck???

Oh after you respond can you post who Pac avoided.

See this ***** alt defending fraud jr. quicker than a ****star's gag reflex. He wasnt talking about your boyfriend.

I can answer that question if you want?

please do jro. set that guy straight. what do you expect from a pavlik fan?

as for el finito, i would have loved for him to fight khasoi galaxy but galaxy was on his way out & lopez was just settling in at miniumweight.

What i dont understand about lopez is why he didnt move up to 112 or 115 & take on great fighters like michael carbajal, chiquita gonzalez,Myung Woo Yuh, & leo gamez. Imagine those fights taking place! I dont understand why? he had enough reach, height, & pop to compete in those divisions.