The overrated Bernard Hopkins

[daggum]

you hopkins ballickers crack me up...stop making excuses...he entered boxing as a lightheavy and LOST...thats HIS FAULT....you make it seem like he just decided to box without entering a ring, and took a fight for the hell of it...he LOST....THEN he decided to get serious...this ain't got nothing to do with hatton, calzaghe, etc. those cats entered a division, and stayed there win or lose, then moved up... how many fighters entered boxing in one division, then scale down 2 divisions after realizing they can't hang with equally sized, equally talented fighters...hopkins is the only one i know of...lol

you still wont answer why calzaghe and hatton drain themselves over 30 pounds to make weight yet hopkins didn't have to drain himself at all to make 160. he lived there for his whole career. yet he's a natural light heavy cause he fought once when he was a part time boxer? laughable. you seem to take pride in being ignorant and uninformed.

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=daggum;7365476]yes but he would have if he fought at his natural weight which appears to be about 200 pounds. you obviously don't know the difference between walking around weight and fighting weight.

now you cracking me up for real...so now you are saying that ricky hatton is really a natural heavyweight fighting down at jr. welter and welter?

but since hopkins took a fight on short notice without being in shape and hardly having any training he's a natural light heavy? gtfo.

stop making excuses for Hopkins losing....and i'm saying what i've always said...he entered boxing as a lightheayweight...LOST...then scaled down over a two year period to enjoy a height, weight, strength, etc. advantage over the middleweight division, and lost when every time he came up against equally sized, equally talented fighters like jones and taylor 2X....

you do realize every boxer drains himself to make weight? calzaghe drains like 30 pounds. in fact hopkins was one of the few boxers to ever remain close to his fighting weight(160) during his entire career. seems like he is more of a natural middleweight than any other boxer who drains themself before every fight.

calzaghe didn't enter boxing as a cruiser, lose, then scale down two divisions to have an unfair advantage against his opposition...so keep him out of it...

Hopkins himself admitted in Ring Mag to scaling down and remaining at 160, so why do cats like you keep making excuses?....

[letsgobrady]

Because Veit, McIntyre and Jimenez make Eastman, Allen and Joppy look like the dream team? Because Byron Mitchell is on the level of Keith Holmes, if not worse? Because Sakio Bika is just a contender whose shining moment came against a Contender? Who did Calzaghe beat at super middle that was as good as Tito in his prime?

tito in his prime was a ww
would u give calzaghe as much credit as u give hopkins if he woould of beat tito and oscar?
eastman allen and joppy are arguablly hopkins best wins against someone who wasn't a ww at middleweight

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Ok then...so then why are you arguing with me if you feel Hopkins had a (slightly) better resume at 160?



Pavlik was a heavy, heavy favorite. So was Tarver who was #3 pound for pound and the undisputed king at LHW coming off wins against Jones and Johnson. And Hopkins moved up two divisions and kicked his ass. Weight drained? Don't make me laugh.

Im arguing with you thinking his resume was way greater not that it was actually better, cause really if Calzaghe scaled down and faced some A class but much smaller fighters he would be on a similar level.

Heavy favorite? so what Oscar was H.favorite vs Pac

[IMDAZED]

tito in his prime was a ww
would u give calzaghe as much credit as u give hopkins if he woould of beat tito and oscar?
eastman allen and joppy are arguablly hopkins best wins against someone who wasn't a ww at middleweight

When did Tito fall out of his prime?

And why do you keep bringing up De La Hoya when I haven't mentioned it at all? Like I said it's a good win or something?

[IMDAZED]

Im arguing with you thinking his resume was way greater not that it was actually better, cause really if Calzaghe scaled down and faced some A class but much smaller fighters he would be on a similar level.

Heavy favorite? so what Oscar was H.favorite vs Pac

Yes, and what do you think of Pac?

[daggum]

[QUOTE=djtmal;7365561]

yes but he would have if he fought at his natural weight which appears to be about 200 pounds. you obviously don't know the difference between walking around weight and fighting weight.

now you cracking me up for real...so now you are saying that ricky hatton is really a natural heavyweight fighting down at jr. welter and welter?

but since hopkins took a fight on short notice without being in shape and hardly having any training he's a natural light heavy? gtfo.

stop making excuses for Hopkins losing....and i'm saying what i've always said...he entered boxing as a lightheayweight...LOST...then scaled down over a two year period to enjoy a height, weight, strength, etc. advantage over the middleweight division, and lost when every time he came up against equally sized, equally talented fighters like jones and taylor 2X....

you do realize every boxer drains himself to make weight? calzaghe drains like 30 pounds. in fact hopkins was one of the few boxers to ever remain close to his fighting weight(160) during his entire career. seems like he is more of a natural middleweight than any other boxer who drains themself before every fight.

calzaghe didn't enter boxing as a cruiser, lose, then scale down two divisions to have an unfair advantage against his opposition...so keep him out of it...

Hopkins himself admitted in Ring Mag to scaling down and remaining at 160, so why do cats like you keep making excuses?....

lol i know he cheated from the start and drained 30 pounds before every fight to gain an advantage. some guy.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

He dropped 30lbs close to every fight. FACT.

He said he felt great at the weight and that he was ready to fight even a week before. FACT.

What fighter doesn't have an excuse post-fight?

Well we know what happened when they fought. 12-0.

And your point is?

Please tell me what fighter says he is in **** condition pre fight?

An yeah fighters do have excuses post fight your gonna tell me Hattons camp for Pac was the best he ever had now lol? even after all the bull**** with Floyd SR

[markkerr101]

The guy has 20 something title defenses. how is that overrated if anything he was underrated until he fought de la hoya

[MOTHER DUCKER]

When did Tito fall out of his prime?

And why do you keep bringing up De La Hoya when I haven't mentioned it at all? Like I said it's a good win or something?

What do you consider Hopkins big wins at MW then?

Or above?

Cause all i see is him losing to the two top fighters he fought.