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  • #21
    Originally posted by Crazylegs77 View Post
    What I find odd is that Hopkins legacy was defined in large part from his many title defenses over the years, yet if other fighters today defend vs mandatory challengers ie Pavlik then they are deemed bums and lousy champions.
    go back and look at the actual fights....look at how much bigger and stronger he was against those middleweights...the record looks good on paper

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    • #22
      hopkins is slightly over-rated by some

      the people that make out he is that great are the same guys that slag calzaghes record off,when in reality their is little difference in their records
      apart from the fact that joe.c fought guys his same size and didnt lose to the best fighters he faced

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      • #23
        Originally posted by british_fan View Post
        hopkins is slightly over-rated by some

        the people that make out he is that great are the same guys that slag calzaghes record off,when in reality their is little difference in their records
        apart from the fact that joe.c fought guys his same size and didnt lose to the best fighters he faced
        Does Robin Reid ring a bell? That said, Hopkins does lack a signature quality win over a guy who is not smaller besides Tarver. I get the point of these kinds of threads.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Method Checker View Post
          Question: what do DLH, Trinidad, Wright and Pavlik have in common?

          Answer:
          They were all smaller fighters than Hopkins, but they're his greatest wins.

          The best fighter he ever beat besides smaller fighters was Tarver. As some of you may know, Tarver was weight-drained, due to the fact that he just finished filming a Rocky Movie and had to cut weight fast.

          He exposed by a man the same size in Jermain Taylor and then once again by a smaller fighter in Calzaghe.

          I don't doubt that he was a solid middleweight champion but to consider him one of the greatest fighters of the last decade is absurd.

          Now, he's fighting the man that gave him the most decisive beating of his career in Roy Jones. Except now Jones is beyond past his prime and was just knocked out by a contender-like fighter.

          Way to seal your legacy, Hopkins!
          I've tried to reason with people who irrationally hate a fighter too many times, run free with your ******ed opinion, most of the boxing world disagrees with you.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by chicano79us View Post
            Hopkins is overrated in his greatness and in the current P4P rankings. Dude has only fought a tune up in god knows how long but yet is still ranked top 5. He's also like 4-3 in his last 7 fights. That's not P4P material if you ask me.
            Chicana is sore because Hopkins stopped Oscar.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Method Checker View Post
              Question: what do DLH, Trinidad, Wright and Pavlik have in common?

              Answer:
              They were all smaller fighters than Hopkins, but they're his greatest wins.

              The best fighter he ever beat besides smaller fighters was Tarver. As some of you may know, Tarver was weight-drained, due to the fact that he just finished filming a Rocky Movie and had to cut weight fast.

              He exposed by a man the same size in Jermain Taylor and then once again by a smaller fighter in Calzaghe.

              I don't doubt that he was a solid middleweight champion but to consider him one of the greatest fighters of the last decade is absurd.

              Now, he's fighting the man that gave him the most decisive beating of his career in Roy Jones. Except now Jones is beyond past his prime and was just knocked out by a contender-like fighter.

              Way to seal your legacy, Hopkins!
              How is it getting exposed when your +40 years old when you lose? If he was in good enough shape to make the weight class than what difference does it make that he was tall? By the same thought process is Hearns also overrated because he beat up smaller fighters at 147 and was then "exposed" by Iran Barkley?

              Hopkins was a dominate middleweight champ who got old and lost like every other fighter, the only difference is that his technical skills allowed him to be successful even when he was older which causes people to forget he is extremely old.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by djtmal View Post
                go back and look at the actual fights....look at how much bigger and stronger he was against those middleweights...the record looks good on paper
                Well yeah, he was stronger. He was also in better shape. A lot of those middles you mentioned couldn't and didn't make the middleweight limit for the number of years Hopkins did. He was able to do that because he was in shape. And always finished the stronger fighter, even in his last fight there.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Method Checker View Post
                  Question: what do DLH, Trinidad, Wright and Pavlik have in common?

                  Answer:
                  They were all smaller fighters than Hopkins, but they're his greatest wins.

                  The best fighter he ever beat besides smaller fighters was Tarver. As some of you may know, Tarver was weight-drained, due to the fact that he just finished filming a Rocky Movie and had to cut weight fast.

                  He exposed by a man the same size in Jermain Taylor and then once again by a smaller fighter in Calzaghe.

                  I don't doubt that he was a solid middleweight champion but to consider him one of the greatest fighters of the last decade is absurd.

                  Now, he's fighting the man that gave him the most decisive beating of his career in Roy Jones. Except now Jones is beyond past his prime and was just knocked out by a contender-like fighter.

                  Way to seal your legacy, Hopkins!
                  AGREE 100%. And his 20 so called title defences are questionable too. 3x against mediocre Allen. YEAH RIGHT pad that record. Monson, Hagler, and many more, would of made him a club fighter. Just like RRJ made him look, 17 or so years ago. Thats why he never wanted a rematch with Roy until now, that Roy gone down hill. "I"ll never lose to a white boy" What a slap in the face was that? OVERRATED FO SHOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by british_fan View Post
                    hopkins is slightly over-rated by some

                    the people that make out he is that great are the same guys that slag calzaghes record off,when in reality their is little difference in their records
                    apart from the fact that joe.c fought guys his same size and didnt lose to the best fighters he faced
                    eubank, hopkins, and roy jones were all blown up middlweights and once again you fail to see your hypocrisy. he also lost to 43 year old hopkins but wait you will say he was no spring chicken himself. ok then he also lost to robin reid while he was in his prime. happy now?
                    Last edited by daggum; 01-28-2010, 12:04 AM.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by mangler jr View Post
                      Does it matter? No, Hopkins was the better fighter that night. Did it matter that Hopkins was the naturally smaller fighter against Antonio Tarver?
                      how is hopkins the smaller man when he began his career at lightheavy and for the last couple of years has been fighting at light heavy

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