Prime Hopkins beats Prime Toney easily

[TheGreatA]

I can't see this fight being "easy" for Hopkins. For me it'd be much like the Toney-McCallum fights, except Hopkins is a bit more adept at using his footwork, not that he either is fast like Jones, Nunn but he has more moves. McCallum for the majority of his career was more of a stalker and an aggressor, but he knew he couldn't force the fight against a much younger and stronger Toney. Hopkins is going to keep Toney guessing and thinking about his next move like McCallum did.

Toney has great respect for McCallum because he never "ran" unlike Nunn or Jones. Not that McCallum stood in front of Toney because no one stands in front of a peak Toney and wins, just too good of an inside fighter for that. But he wasn't afraid of exchanging punches with Toney.

I'm sure Hopkins would be more defensive, or "negative" if you may say so, than McCallum though. That's one thing you can annoy Toney with. Hopkins is going to use all of the ring and spoil if needed. However this could actually work against him in the judges eyes. It's likely going to be a close fight, with a stylistic edge for Hopkins (ring generalship?), but the judges might favour the more aggressive, harder-punching Toney.

The Montell Griffin fights prove that such a fight could go against Toney, because in most people's eyes Toney was the aggressor and landed the harder punches and won both bouts, yet he lost in the judges' scorecards. Of course incompetent judging had something to do with that, see Doug Tucker. However Toney allowed Griffin to basically dictate where the fight was taking place. Toney was a bit lazy or one-dimensional when it came to his footwork, good for generating power and counter-punching possibilities but not for cutting off the ring or for using the ring. You could say he was "flat-footed".

[General Zod]

I can't see this fight being "easy" for Hopkins. For me it'd be much like the Toney-McCallum fights, except Hopkins is a bit more adept at using his footwork, not that he either is fast like Jones, Nunn but he has more moves. McCallum for the majority of his career was more of a stalker and an aggressor, but he knew he couldn't force the fight against a much younger and stronger Toney. Hopkins is going to keep Toney guessing and thinking about his next move like McCallum did.

Toney has great respect for McCallum because he never "ran" unlike Nunn or Jones. Not that McCallum stood in front of Toney because no one stands in front of a peak Toney and wins, just too good of an inside fighter for that. But he wasn't afraid of exchanging punches with Toney.

I'm sure Hopkins would be more defensive, or "negative" if you may say so, than McCallum though. That's one thing you can annoy Toney with. Hopkins is going to use all of the ring and spoil if needed. However this could actually work against him in the judges eyes. It's likely going to be a close fight, with a stylistic edge for Hopkins (ring generalship?), but the judges might favour the more aggressive, harder-punching Toney.

The Montell Griffin fights prove that such a fight could go against Toney, because in most people's eyes Toney was the aggressor and landed the harder punches and won both bouts, yet he lost in the judges' scorecards. Of course incompetent judging had something to do with that, see Doug Tucker. However Toney allowed Griffin to basically dictate where the fight was taking place. Toney was a bit lazy or one-dimensional when it came to his footwork, good for generating power and counter-punching possibilities but not for cutting off the ring or for using the ring. You could say he was "flat-footed".

Excellent post

[donkim]

ok, i see from your avatar you need **** in your mouth every 30 minutes so i wont hold you up any longer, go on, go get some big willy from your boyfriend

A second-class citizen who seems to have lost his way since being banned from some hip hop forum shows us how much of moron he really is.

That's your second reference to "big willy" now,perhaps you ought to begin searching for what you really are.....rather than pretend to be something that you're clearly not.

[SplitSecond]

A second-class citizen who seems to have lost his way since being banned from some hip hop forum shows us how much of moron he really is.

That's your second reference to "big willy" now,perhaps you ought to begin searching for what you really are.....rather than pretend to be something that you're clearly not.

your avatar is a representive of your beliefs "a good mouth-stuffing never hurt anyone"

and i got banned from a hip hop forum?

[razor.thin]

hopkins lost to jermain taylor twice, he is a real legend

[BLooDCalibuR]

You all forget that Hopkins also has excellent inside-game. The guy knows his basics well, what many great boxers don't even show.

So not only can he work from the outside on Toney, but he'll be fine inside as well, especially with the angles on his foot pivoting fluidized with the well timed uppercuts.

[ИATAS]

hopkins lost to jermain taylor twice, he is a real legend

He was 40 years old. This question is prime vs prime.

[BLooDCalibuR]

hopkins lost to jermain taylor twice, he is a real legend

I scored both fights with Hopkins winning by 1 round on both. Watch the fight carefully. And to think, that was a young rising star vs a 40 year old.

[razor.thin]

hopkins is in his prime.

[Mikhnienko]

Toney had a few really close fights against lesser guys while he was in his Prime.

Well it's the best Toney vs the best Hopkins, everyone knows he could be inconsistant but that doesn't apply here.

Secondly, losses are what happen from time to time when you are willing to fight anybody, anywhere, anytime and have 70+ fights in your career like Toney.

Had Hopkins grown a pair before the age of 41 yrs old and not been fighting in one of the weakest MW divisions in history he'd have more losses on his record too.

It's quite amazing how overrated B-Hop is by some people now-a-days.