Prime Hopkins beats Prime Toney easily

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Obviously some people haven't watched a "prime" Hopkins fight.

Toney was prime in his fight against Barkley. In what fight was Hopkins prime according to you?

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Prime Toney was in the Barkley fight, where he was a sharpshooting demon. Nobody beats that guy easily. Hopkins would give him a lot of trouble with his movement, but he would gives Hopkins hell with accurate punching and handspeed.

I completely agree

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As much as I'm a Toney fan, you guys are ****ing hilarious. Uintentionally that is.

Hopkins' tactics have changed over the years. Age/stamina is the main reason so he has to fight smarter and use his energy more efficiently. He dismantled an, at the time, unstoppable force, pound for pound. And that was at an age of 36. Most elite boxers won't even last that long. I don't care what the **** you say about him beating "smaller opponents". That's a lame excuse you can use in the amateur divisions, not as a price fighter. If they step up they better bring it.

It sounds to me you guys caught him in the millennium. He was not a clincher in his earlier days and he wasn't throwing his straight right over the top only to clinch afterwards.

Toney's inconsistency has followed him throughout his whole career. He's a fabulous technician and can position himself smartly in front of his opponent but he can get very sloppy and lose concentration. Bernard is 100% focused as always.

Both fighters display a high level of boxing but I have Hopkins getting the UD in a close fight.

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As much as I'm a Toney fan, you guys are ****ing hilarious. Uintentionally that is.

Hopkins' tactics have changed over the years. Age/stamina is the main reason so he has to fight smarter and use his energy more efficiently. He dismantled an, at the time, unstoppable force, pound for pound. And that was at an age of 36. Most elite boxers won't even last that long. I don't care what the **** you say about him beating "smaller opponents". That's a lame excuse you can use in the amateur divisions, not as a price fighter. If they step up they better bring it.

It sounds to me you guys caught him in the millennium. He was not a clincher in his earlier days and he wasn't throwing his straight right over the top only to clinch afterwards.

Toney's inconsistency has followed him throughout his whole career. He's a fabulous technician and can position himself smartly in front of his opponent but he can get very sloppy and lose concentration. Bernard is 100% focused as always.

Both fighters display a high level of boxing but I have Hopkins getting the UD in a close fight.

trinidad was an unstoppable force?
he lost to oscar didn't he?(yea i know, not on paper)

and so hopkins wasn't prime when he fought trinidad? funny, most hopkin fans would disagree

but i agree with you, i thought he was peak against jones

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Hopkins' tactics have changed over the years. Age/stamina is the main reason so he has to fight smarter and use his energy more efficiently. He dismantled an, at the time, unstoppable force, pound for pound. And that was at an age of 36. Most elite boxers won't even last that long. I don't care what the **** you say about him beating "smaller opponents". That's a lame excuse you can use in the amateur divisions, not as a price fighter. If they step up they better bring it.

Trinidad was a lot of things but he was hardly an unstoppable force, he got a gift against Oscar and had to resort to low blows in his fight against Vargas, when he was in trouble. He ended up getting docked two points for low blows.

Trinidads record at mw was 3-2, with both losses coming by complete shutout to the two best mw he faced, so he was hardly an elite mw.

Trinidad was clearly smaller than Hopkins as well, one guy makes his pro debut as a 6'1 lhw and the other as a 5'11 ww and you are going to tell me they are the same size?

It sounds to me you guys caught him in the millennium. He was not a clincher in his earlier days and he wasn't throwing his straight right over the top only to clinch afterwards.
Toney's inconsistency has followed him throughout his whole career. He's a fabulous technician and can position himself smartly in front of his opponent but he can get very sloppy and lose concentration. Bernard is 100% focused as always.

We are talking about Prime Toney vs Prime Hopkins so Toneys inconsistency doesnt play a factor here. Would you say Hopkins was 100% focused against Winky? A fight in which he should of got dqed for all the fouling he was doing.

Both fighters display a high level of boxing but I have Hopkins getting the UD in a close fight.

We are going to have to agree to disagree.

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trinidad was an unstoppable force?
he lost to oscar didn't he?(yea i know, not on paper)

and so hopkins wasn't prime when he fought trinidad? funny, most hopkin fans would disagree

but i agree with you, i thought he was peak against jones

Yes he was. He was cleaning it out until September 29th.

The fight with Oscar could've gone both ways. It was close. Some say Oscar, some say Trinidad. I had it 115-114 for Oscar but it was close in my eyes.

And yes, Hopkins was at his peak when he met Trinidad but he was still the underdog going into that fight. His TKO was even called an upset.

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^^@Agentsmith, You shouldn't take away from Hopkins performance against trinidad just because he came from smaller weight class. First off Trinidad was freakin huge at 5'11 for a welterweight and secondly he grew as his career went on and definitely filled his middleweight body well, as shown by his impressive knock out of william joppy just prior to hopkins. There was a reason Trinidad was a 7-1 favorite. Further, if hopkins never existed trinidad would have been the undisputed middleweight champion of the world without question.

Regardless, hopkins performance was absolutely brilliant. He didn't win the fight on size and he didn't out muscle trinidad - he boxed him beautifully. Watch the fight. Watch hopkins and his amazing display of defense, hand speed and perfect timing. Watch how hopkins was constantly setting up traps. Watch how hopkins would never allow trinidad to land his signature punch.

People need to judge hopkins on his actual performance and not write it off as 'oh he beat a smaller man' that's bull****. Everyone was impressed with hopkins who watched the fight live, everyone. Only years later do people try to discredit it now on internet message boards.

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Toney was prime in his fight against Barkley. In what fight was Hopkins prime according to you?

Hopkins would have ripped Barkley a new *******. Barkley was a come forward brawler type with 7 losses at the time he fought Toney.

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^^@Agentsmith, You shouldn't take away from Hopkins performance against trinidad just because he came from smaller weight class. First off Trinidad was freakin huge at 5'11 for a welterweight and secondly he grew as his career went on and definitely filled his middleweight body well, as shown by his impressive knock out of william joppy just prior to hopkins. There was a reason Trinidad was a 7-1 favorite. Further, if hopkins never existed trinidad would have been the undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

Regardless, hopkins performance was absolutely brilliant. He didn't win the fight on size and he didn't out muscle trinidad - he boxed him beautifully. Watch the fight. Watch hopkins his amazing display of defense, hand speed and perfect time. Watch how hopkins was constantly setting up traps. Watch how hopkins would never allow trinidad to land his signature punch.

People need to judge hopkins on his actual performance and not right it off as 'oh he beat a smaller man' that's bull****. Everyone was impressed with hopkins who watched the fight live, everyone. Only years later do people try to discredit it now.

Good post, yeah I agree it was a great boxing display by Hopkins. But it can hardly be used as an indicator of how Hopkins would of done against Toney.

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Hopkins would have ripped Barkley a new *******. Barkley was a come forward brawler type with 7 losses at the time he fought Toney.

Im not comparing Barkley to Hopkins, rather I was saying that Toney was at the top of his game in that fight.