Toney-Ruiz and why JT won't beat V-Klitschko

[tino]

OMG the mighty jose is back

go to the lounge , we even made a thread about you.

youre right about vitaly , he doesnt have a great jab , but he has an educated and very very heavy jab , plus he usually pushes shorter fighters with his left hand more than he hits them , to keep them at bay

[Sir_Jose]

He doesnt need to be a defensive genious if hes attacking. All he has to do is stay outside of Toneys reach and jab. He has a nice hard jab, better than what Ruiz was throwing at least...

Vitali attacking is what Toney wants. Vitali letting his hands go creates more oputunities for Toney to counter.

[legend]

*sighs*

Oh im sorry, someone please tell me when Vitali turned into Larry Holmes and developed this awsome jab people are talking about?

What do you mean no one ever gives a good reason why Toney will beat Vitali on the inside? You do know James Toney is one of the greatest infighters of all time right and Vitali pretty cant fight on the inside at all.

Do you know how James will get inside on Vitali? because he will make Vitali come to him thats why.

Vitali is far from some defensive genius here people.

Hell, if you want to say that, when did Toney turn into some giant-killer, able to penetrate any defense in boxing. The man's barely fought anyone at heavyweight. Vitali has fought MANY fighters whose only hope to win was on teh inside. They couldn't get it done. Unless you start providing some kind of concrete logic here, you will continue to look nothing more than speculative.

[tino]

Hell, if you want to say that, when did Toney turn into some giant-killer, able to penetrate any defense in boxing. The man's barely fought anyone at heavyweight. Vitali has fought MANY fighters whose only hope to win was on teh inside. They couldn't get it done. Unless you start providing some kind of concrete logic here, you will continue to look nothing more than speculative.

toney is a famous giant killer in the gym .


he has a reputation for destroying young and strong HW in sparring . but they sure are no vitaly K

[Manny_P]

Hell, if you want to say that, when did Toney turn into some giant-killer, able to penetrate any defense in boxing. The man's barely fought anyone at heavyweight. Vitali has fought MANY fighters whose only hope to win was on teh inside. They couldn't get it done. Unless you start providing some kind of concrete logic here, you will continue to look nothing more than speculative.

exactly. this doo Jose is so joy, happy jest cuz Toney won against Ruiz. John ****in Ruiz, man. After the Ruiz fight, some people think here Toney is the king of heavyweight.

Lets all be realistic and not be delusional! Vitali would knockout Toney. It would be difficult for Toney to come inside Vitali and land his shots because Vitali will keep him away wit his jabs and straight rights.

[Sir_Jose]

Hell, if you want to say that, when did Toney turn into some giant-killer, able to penetrate any defense in boxing. The man's barely fought anyone at heavyweight. Vitali has fought MANY fighters whose only hope to win was on teh inside. They couldn't get it done. Unless you start providing some kind of concrete logic here, you will continue to look nothing more than speculative.

What are you talking about? James Toney has more than proven his boxing skills and his abillity to disect a fighter over the past 15 years in this sport. The guy has come up from 160lbs I think its safe to say he isn't afraid of fighting bigger guys.

as far as Viltai fighting MANY guys that doesn't mean those guys are good. Because FACTS are FACTS the two best fighters Vitali has fought he's LOST to and Vitali has never fought a boxer like James Toney.

If these two guys were the same size it wouldn't be up for debate who would win.

[Konstantin]

Yea IF they were the same size but the fact is they are not. Toney is naturally a smaller guy and we still dont know how he'll stand up to a 250 lb powerpuncher.

[Sir_Jose]

Yea IF they were the same size but the fact is they are not. Toney is naturally a smaller guy and we still dont know how he'll stand up to a 250 lb powerpuncher.

but we have seen Vitali in with a much smaller slick boxer and well...things didn't exactly go well for him that night.

[Run]

I can realize how many people think Toney would stand a chance. He does possess more skill than Vitali, he just lacks the size and experience in the heavyweight division. Im not saying Vitali has fought much better fighters, but they were real heavyweights however. Toney could concievably win the fight, If he were to somehow counter everything Vitali throws. My only problem with this...is his attitude in the ring. He thinks he is superior to everyone he fights, and that might catch up with him. If you noticed, in the Ruiz fight he was clowning around and playing opossum the entire time. Yes that worked against huggy bear.....but how in the hell would he manage to pull that off against the giant. For one, Vitali is extremely cautious. He would not try and overpower Toney like Ruiz did.....leaning foward on all of his punches.

Vitali likes to fight tall....and that could be a disadvantage, but I dont think so. If Toney were to lay against the ropes, that would spell doom for him. Klitschko would test him with the jab, and throw straight right hands at him. Who really cares if the land flush at first....that does not matter. What really does matter, is that he breaks opponents down systematically. Toney would need to lose alot of weight, more than likely 20+ pounds in order to be ready for the fight. Danny Williams, who I think hits harder than Toney blew up before the Klitschko fight. His mobility was affected, and he was a sitting duck.

I just dont think Toney has the lateral movement to escape Vitali's punches......because remember. Vitali does let his hands go. Toney has yet to fight a heavyweight that hits as hard....or is as active.

I really think Toney would get KTFO horribly.

Some of you are saying Toney would K.O. Vitali........And I think that is some ****** **** personally.



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[AintGottaClue]

ya vitali has a L next to chris byrd but u cant change the fact that with 1 ARM he was still outboxing a prime byrd who is quicker and slicker then james toney. i give toney no chance at all unless vitali gets hurt again or cut or drugged