Toney-Ruiz and why JT won't beat V-Klitschko

[Bombardier]

Ruiz gave a good account of himself not only early on but also to some degree later in the fight, landing some body shots that connected cleanly and had some bad intentions on them. This was in spite of his obvious exhaustion. Overall Ruiz's most effective punch was the jab and there were parts of the fight where he was doubling up on the jab and hitting Toney twice in succession. Toney won and won big but it was not a shutout.

I do think Toney was easing into the fight and that's why I gave Ruiz two of the first three rounds. I think Toney had respect for Ruiz's power early on which diminished as the fight went on and Ruiz's condition worsened. Ruiz never seemed to respect Toney's power at any point in the fight. Even the times he was stunned he was throwing punches in retaliation seconds later.

I say all of this having watched the fight a few hours ago and with no bias. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a Ruiz fan. I picked Ruiz for the reasons stated in my other post.

I thought Ruiz's combos to the body had a lot of power behind them as well. Toney's was just tough enough to take'em. So I guess that, yeah, they weren't really effective.

[Manny_P]

He chose not to!? So Vitali in the middle of the fight thought, "Okay, I'm whipping this guy, but because there are peopel watching at home I'm going to take it easy on him and drop him in the later rounds"? Like, you really think that?

I really think this. Williams is garbage. Vitali coulda finished his ass up early, he didn't. What's the explanation on why Vitali couldn't stop Williams early who wasn't even throwin punches?

[Bombardier]

I really think this. Williams is garbage. Vitali coulda finished his ass up early, he didn't. What's the explanation on why Vitali couldn't stop Williams early who wasn't even throwin punches?

Williams is a tough enough guy, which is why he could stand the initial onslaught. I will give you that Vitali hits hard but if you're a tough SOB you can take a few punches no matter how hard they come. Williams is no brilliant fighter but he can get hit, as you can see from this and the Tyson fight.

After a while IMO Vitali got tired because of his well-known stamina problem. I'm willing to hear other opinions about this but your theory doesn't fly with me. Nothing personal or anything .

[Manny_P]

Williams is a tough enough guy, which is why he could stand the initial onslaught. I will give you that Vitali hits hard but if you're a tough SOB you can take a few punches no matter how hard they come. Williams is no brilliant fighter but he can get hit, as you can see from this and the Tyson fight.

After a while IMO Vitali got tired because of his well-known stamina problem. I'm willing to hear other opinions about this but your theory doesn't fly with me. Nothing personal or anything .

OK doo, but that's my opinion. Though I don't see your thinking behind sayin that Williams is "tough SOB" when his ass has been gettin dropped even before he fought Vitali. One word that summarize Williams is "garbage". I hope you agree wit that!

[Bombardier]

OK doo, but that's my opinion. Though I don't see your thinking behind sayin that Williams is "tough SOB" when his ass has been gettin dropped even before he fought Vitali. One word that summarize Williams is "garbage". I hope you agree wit that!

Yeah, he's garbage, but he's garbage that can stand up a little better than most other garbage...course that doesn't stop him from being knocked down in the end .

[Konstantin]

Whats up with Vitali's 'well known' stanima problem? Name one fight he lost because of a stamina problem.

[guru]

since when did finishing someone quickly decide how good someone was?? so what if VK carried williams for 8 rounds? he dominated the fight and it wasn't even close.... which is more than what byrd, brewster or ruiz could say about their title defenses.. they aren't even finishing their opponents at all.....

[paul750]

Though I don't see your thinking behind sayin that Williams is "tough SOB" when his ass has been gettin dropped even before he fought Vitali. One that!

williams is a tough man, make no mistake about that, klitchko was raining punches down on him all night and he just kept getting up, otherguys like kirk johnson bailed out early, but williams was not going to quit until the ref stopped it or he was knocked out cold. and unlike klitchko he carried on fighing with a dislocated shoulder and won. people can say what they want about williams's boxing ability, but to say he's not tough is ridiculous, he's one of the toughest guys out there

[Manny_P]

williams is a tough man, make no mistake about that, klitchko was raining punches down on him all night and he just kept getting up, otherguys like kirk johnson bailed out early, but williams was not going to quit until the ref stopped it or he was knocked out cold. and unlike klitchko he carried on fighing with a dislocated shoulder and won. people can say what they want about williams's boxing ability, but to say he's not tough is ridiculous, he's one of the toughest guys out there

Williams got dropped like crazy times and he's tough? Doo, if he fought back even it bein one sided beating, if he went forward and tried to get Vitali, then HE is tough! He was a punchin bag that was made by quality material is all it is! He's got a good fightin spirit and will, but he aint tough or hard!

[Double]

HAs Vitali even beat a good foghter? Not great, just good?