Toney-Ruiz and why JT won't beat V-Klitschko

[Sir_Jose]

ya vitali has a L next to chris byrd but u cant change the fact that with 1 ARM he was still outboxing a prime byrd who is quicker and slicker then james toney. i give toney no chance at all unless vitali gets hurt again or cut or drugged

Byrd is not slicker or quicker than Toney. You also cannot deny the fact when the going got tough for him he quit on his stool.

Drugged? come on now

[legend]

I can realize how many people think Toney would stand a chance. He does possess more skill than Vitali, he just lacks the size and experience in the heavyweight division. Im not saying Vitali has fought much better fighters, but they were real heavyweights however. Toney could concievably win the fight, If he were to somehow counter everything Vitali throws. My only problem with this...is his attitude in the ring. He thinks he is superior to everyone he fights, and that might catch up with him. If you noticed, in the Ruiz fight he was clowning around and playing opossum the entire time. Yes that worked against huggy bear.....but how in the hell would he manage to pull that off against the giant. For one, Vitali is extremely cautious. He would not try and overpower Toney like Ruiz did.....leaning foward on all of his punches.

Vitali likes to fight tall....and that could be a disadvantage, but I dont think so. If Toney were to lay against the ropes, that would spell doom for him. Klitschko would test him with the jab, and throw straight right hands at him. Who really cares if the land flush at first....that does not matter. What really does matter, is that he breaks opponents down systematically. Toney would need to lose alot of weight, more than likely 20+ pounds in order to be ready for the fight. Danny Williams, who I think hits harder than Toney blew up before the Klitschko fight. His mobility was affected, and he was a sitting duck.

I just dont think Toney has the lateral movement to escape Vitali's punches......because remember. Vitali does let his hands go. Toney has yet to fight a heavyweight that hits as hard....or is as active.

I really think Toney would get KTFO horribly.

Some of you are saying Toney would K.O. Vitali........And I think that is some ****** **** personally.

LOL. Yeah, I said in another thread how the only people I see saying Toney is so badass, will KO Vitali, and whatever other crazy **** is on boxingscene. I've yet to hear someone in the real world say that ****** ****. I think it's more that there's so many VK-haters than actual Toney fans.

[Winter]

but we have seen Vitali in with a much smaller slick boxer and well...things didn't exactly go well for him that night.

Vitali has never been outboxed, that is a fact. Byrd is very quick and good at boxing, but Vitali still had no trouble controlling Byrd. I do not know much about Toney, so I do not know if he is quicker than Byrd.

Vitali does have a good jab. He punches his left hand at the correct times waiting to throw the surprising right hand, which is very hard and good! Vitali's right punch surprises everyone! It surprised Lennox Lewis. No one can prepare for Vitali, he surprises everyone. This is why Lennox Lewis did not want to finish what was started, despite the entire boxing world demanding it.

[Torino]

Vitali has never been outboxed, that is a fact. Byrd is very quick and good at boxing, but Vitali still had no trouble controlling Byrd. I do not know much about Toney, so I do not know if he is quicker than Byrd.

Vitali does have a good jab. He punches his left hand at the correct times waiting to throw the surprising right hand, which is very hard and good! Vitali's right punch surprises everyone! It surprised Lennox Lewis. No one can prepare for Vitali, he surprises everyone. This is why Lennox Lewis did not want to finish what was started, despite the entire boxing world demanding it.

GOOD POST!

[jack_the_rippuh]

Vitali has never been outboxed, that is a fact. Byrd is very quick and good at boxing, but Vitali still had no trouble controlling Byrd. I do not know much about Toney, so I do not know if he is quicker than Byrd.

Vitali does have a good jab. He punches his left hand at the correct times waiting to throw the surprising right hand, which is very hard and good! Vitali's right punch surprises everyone! It surprised Lennox Lewis. No one can prepare for Vitali, he surprises everyone. This is why Lennox Lewis did not want to finish what was started, despite the entire boxing world demanding it.

If that's not finishing what he started, I don't know what it is.

[Torino]

58-56 58-56 58-56
All for Vitali

Fight stopped after round six due to a Klitschko cut.
After refusing a rematch, Lewis announces his retirement February 6, 2004

Finished?

[oldgringo]

58-56 58-56 58-56
All for Vitali

Fight stopped after round six due to a Klitschko cut.
After refusing a rematch, Lewis announces his retirement February 6, 2004

Finished?

I agree that Vitali was winning the fight at the point that the fight was stopped...but Lennox was landing monsterous punches in the 5th and 6th and if the fight would have gone on Vitali may have been badly hurt. Not to mention that Vitali fought the worst out of shape Lennox possible.

[m00ks]

I haven't seen the fight but was the cut actually caused by a punch?

[joeboxer]

If Vitali got hurt from missing punches against Bryd???

Can you even imagine how many punches Toney would slip?


Vitali would win if he didn't injure himself, but I think the chance of him hurting himself is HUGE!!!!

[Sir_Jose]

58-56 58-56 58-56
All for Vitali

Fight stopped after round six due to a Klitschko cut.
After refusing a rematch, Lewis announces his retirement February 6, 2004

Finished?

Hey when Championship fights start getting scheduled for 6 rounds let me know.

I haven't seen the fight but was the cut actually caused by a punch?

You mean all 8 cuts?...Yes all cause by punches