Toney-Ruiz and why JT won't beat V-Klitschko

[Guest]

Here's a question... Ruiz was having his way quite a lot for the first half of the fight. Do you think Toney was allowing him to do so, or was he genuinely getting a competitive boxing match from Ruiz until round seven?

[sisforshaq]

Toneys a better overall boxer and is more proven. The size Vitali has would be a problem but Toney has that ability to roll and counter. Would be a good fight but Toney would pull out either a UD or a late round KO

[Bombardier]

Here's a question... Ruiz was having his way quite a lot for the first half of the fight. Do you think Toney was allowing him to do so, or was he genuinely getting a competitive boxing match from Ruiz until round seven?

Toney and Ruiz would both open up, if that's what you mean. So Ruiz would get some shots in but they weren't doing any damage. Toney on the other hand was hurting Ruiz. To me the fight didn't seem as close as you might have had it early on...Toney was winning most of the rounds by my scorecard.

[Guest]

Toney and Ruiz would both open up, if that's what you mean. So Ruiz would get some shots in but they weren't doing any damage. Toney on the other hand was hurting Ruiz. To me the fight didn't seem as close as you might have had it early on...Toney was winning most of the rounds by my scorecard.

I'll have to see it again but I had it at least even by the halfway stage. Now whether this was because Toney was taking it easy or because Ruiz had a genuinely good workrate and style for the first half is open to question.

Also, Toney took far too many clean shots in the first half for me. Part of me says this is because he's a ****y SOB who likes to show off his chin. The other part of me says that he couldn't avoid them and Ruiz is better than given credit for...

[Bombardier]

I'll have to see it again but I had it at least even by the halfway stage. Now whether this was because Toney was taking it easy or because Ruiz had a genuinely good workrate and style for the first half is open to question.

Also, Toney took far too many clean shots in the first half for me. Part of me says this is because he's a ****y SOB who likes to show off his chin. The other part of me says that he couldn't avoid them and Ruiz is better than given credit for...

Yeah, I might see the fight again and see it differently, but that was my first impression. To me this fight showed that Ruiz isn't a bad hitter but is hopeless when he opens himself up, which might explain his usual tactics.

I think Toney was doing his usual possuming, but I think that Ruiz did manage to get some shots in when Toney was genuinely defending himself, or at least when he wasn't playing games. The thing is that Toney could take a few shots if it meant scoring back on Ruiz. It depends on if you're scoring the fight on number of punches landed or their effect on the opponent, I suppose.

[Guest]

Yeah, I was just watching the fight with a dread feeling in my stomach Ruiz would pull an upset. Toney's got a chin alright, but Ruiz is debatably the hardest puncher he's faced...

[AintGottaClue]

bwahhahahahahaha toney KO vitali. i piss my pnats everytime someone says that. toney skillz light eyars ahead of vitlai? vitali has never been outboxed even when he lost he outboxing the guy. vitlai has somethign to prove? are u tellign me that a man with 37 heavyweight fights, has the wbc and ring title is les sproven then a guy with 3 fights?? toneys middleweight and crusierwieght career has nothign to do with what he can do at ehavyweight. he beat john ****ign ruiz, a man who cant win unless he uses illegal tactics and has a corrupt manager who pays judges to make him win. vitali is waaay underrated everytime he fights he is just liek toney o this guy is gonan beat him. so toney is gonna go to vitlais body eh? how is he gonna do that open up charge in liek danny williams? or is he gonan wait for vitali to get close and brawl they way he alwasy does /sarcasm. toney vs vitali is gonan be a cross betwen the kirk johnson fight and danny williams. even if toney gets to the body his power will do little, danny got in some body shots and he hits way harder then toney, didnt keep danny from getting TKO'd. the ruiz win has u really biased toney fans all clouded up in the head and u r lookign like complete idiots.

[Kid Achilles]

Ruiz gave a good account of himself not only early on but also to some degree later in the fight, landing some body shots that connected cleanly and had some bad intentions on them. This was in spite of his obvious exhaustion. Overall Ruiz's most effective punch was the jab and there were parts of the fight where he was doubling up on the jab and hitting Toney twice in succession. Toney won and won big but it was not a shutout.

I do think Toney was easing into the fight and that's why I gave Ruiz two of the first three rounds. I think Toney had respect for Ruiz's power early on which diminished as the fight went on and Ruiz's condition worsened. Ruiz never seemed to respect Toney's power at any point in the fight. Even the times he was stunned he was throwing punches in retaliation seconds later.

I say all of this having watched the fight a few hours ago and with no bias. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a Ruiz fan. I picked Ruiz for the reasons stated in my other post.

[Manny_P]

this is unbelievable. Toney would get murdered aganist Vitali. ANother, Klitscho vs Williams on the making. The only reason Vitali didn't finish up Danny Williams early (when he could have) is because so that the people who bought that PPV don't regret it. Vitali coulda stopped William in round 3, but he chose not to. That's what'll happen to Toney.

[Bombardier]

this is unbelievable. Toney would get murdered aganist Vitali. ANother, Klitscho vs Williams on the making. The only reason Vitali didn't finish up Danny Williams early (when he could have) is because so that the people who bought that PPV don't regret it. Vitali coulda stopped William in round 3, but he chose not to. That's what'll happen to Toney.

He chose not to!? So Vitali in the middle of the fight thought, "Okay, I'm whipping this guy, but because there are peopel watching at home I'm going to take it easy on him and drop him in the later rounds"? Like, you really think that?