Pacquiao PEDs discussion.

[Eagle Eye]

Exactly what I said. It's like we're always thinking the same thing dude.

that's how unbiased logical people think lol

[MindBat]

It's an entirely different story. If NSAC would ask pacquiao to do random drug testing, and Pacquiao disagrees, then it's a more legitimate case.

On this scenario though, Mayweather was obviously trying to impose his will on Pacquiao and we can also say that Pacquiao was imposing himself on Mayweather. No compromsie agreed on thus failure of the fight to materialize.

This is where many of you are wrong. Floyd, through Schaefer, merely proposed Olympic-style drug testing with random testing. To which Manny agreed to take BUT with certain conditions. Floyd has no power or jurisdiction to change Olympic-style drug testing protocols.

By contrast, Manny wants to know when he will be tested and when the testing must stop. That defeats the purpose for the protocol he agreed to in the first place. He wanted to create his own definition of Random which many experts find to be non-sensical.

They are undergoing state commission standard testing. I agree that they should be issued much strict tests though but it should be issued by the commissioner of the sports and not by a fighter. It neutralizes agendas which obviously both sides have.

I definitely agree with you on this one. I, however, can't believe how gullible people have been throughout this whole endeavor.

That statement would have better served Arum and company had they made that very clear BEFORE the negotiations were underway, and NOT
while they were already agreeing to and accepting the majority of the stipulations in the contract.

There was never any report that Pacquiao WOULD NOT accept the testing procedures of the USADA nor the testing protocols of the NFL, MLB, and NBA as Arum suggested as being the better alternative.

Again, NOBODY from Team Pacquiao made a public statement that Olympic-style drug testing was worse than the established NSAC testing.

Instead, what did they do? Manny agreed to Olympic-style testing but only if he could change the meaning of "random" to serve his agenda.

I agree with you that this should be made mandatory on all fighters. My only take is that this should not be asked by a fighter from his opponent but should be mandated by the governing body. Under the circumstances, i do not expect PAC to submit himself to a kind of test that was requested by no other than the people who are accusing him of using PEDS ahead of time. It's like saying "fight me, but prove me wrong"..BTW, why is it that Floyd's Team did not attempt to go to the proper authority to air this request for random blood testing to make it mandatory to all fighters?

Read my post above yours. Manny AGREED to Olympic-style drug testing
as was put forth in the contract, but LATER decided that it would be too
restrictive to his training regime and mental state.

[fightingfigs]

Last time i checked, he agreed to random drug testing except that he did not agree to FLOYD's demand on the 14 day window period, is it right?

no random tests, he wants one i think 60 days before 30 days before and 1 after

[Hijo de Dios]

no random tests, he wants one i think 60 days before 30 days before and 1 after

Exactly.

Pac wanted :

Blood test the week of fight presser
Blood test 30 days (later compromised to 24 days) before the fight
Blood test after the fight.

THAT. IS . NOT. RANDOM.

I don't know why it is so difficult for the *******s to understand that this is not random. It is scheduled. Announced. Regimented....anything BUT random.

[MindBat]

Exactly.

Pac wanted :

Blood test the week of fight presser
Blood test 30 days (later compromised to 24 days) before the fight
Blood test after the fight.

THAT. IS . NOT. RANDOM.

I don't know why it is so difficult for the *******s to understand that this is not random. It is scheduled. Announced. Regimented....anything BUT random.

Someone should seriously make a thread about that word.

By all definitions, random means the athlete WILL NOT know when the testing will take place.

Manny wants to know when the testing will take place and when it should stop.

That is absurd.

[JulVal]

This is where many of you are wrong. Floyd, through Schaefer, merely proposed Olympic-style drug testing with random testing. To which Manny agreed to take BUT with certain conditions. Floyd has no power or jurisdiction to change Olympic-style drug testing protocols.

He is changing the rules of the state commission on drug testing. How is that not trying to impose his will? Olympic style drug testing was never heard off during boxing fight negotiations and Mayweather is not a commissioner to require it during the fight. Surely if you are not blinded, you'll see malice in there somewhere. Oh and I never said that Mayweather was changing the way Olympic style drug testing is to be done.

But if you want to be too literal then he was in some way by offering up a 14 day window for Pacquiao. Lol

By contrast, Manny wants to know when he will be tested and when the testing must stop. That defeats the purpose for the protocol he agreed to in the first place. He wanted to create his own definition of Random which many experts find to be non-sensical.

Manny is a fighter, not a man of reason. He needs advisers and people to tell him that. He believes in what he believes. He might not make a lot of sense but he is who he is.

He is not the most intelligent person out there. You've got to consider cultural differences as well and different mind sets people have.

If you're scared of instects and all that, no one's forcing you not to be scared. It's your weakness and that defines who you are.

In his case he is scared of getting blood drawn from him. 'Scared of needles' is a statement from that idiot adviser of him. Search youtube and he has established years ago that he does not like blood being drawn from him so close to the fight. He believes that it's going to affect him mentally and physically and you've got to respect that even if it's utterly ******.

That statement would have better served Arum and company had they made that very clear BEFORE the negotiations were underway, and NOT
while they were already agreeing to and accepting the majority of the stipulations in the contract.

There was never any report that Pacquiao WOULD NOT accept the testing procedures of the USADA nor the testing protocols of the NFL, MLB, and NBA as Arum suggested as being the better alternative.

Again, NOBODY from Team Pacquiao made a public statement that Olympic-style drug testing was worse than the established NSAC testing.

Instead, what did they do? Manny agreed to Olympic-style testing but only if he could change the meaning of "random" to serve his agenda.

Did I ever say anything about the things the fighters and promoters should have done? It's like you are arguing about something I never said. What exactly is your point here? All I was saying is that I agree that stricter tests should be imposed on boxing by the commission and not by the fighter. Is that really that hard to grasp?

[JulVal]

You idiots are killing the topic. The topic is about steroid allegations and signs.

The topic is about Pacquiao being labeled a steroid user even though there are no proofs and explanations other than 'cause he's using steroids' of certain arguments commonly used when he is blamed for using steroids.

It's not about the failed negotiations that arose because Pacquiao did not agree to the random drug tests.

Stop changing the topic. I know that Pacquiao did not approve of the test. I'm not an idiot.

You guys on the other hand, should quit being idiots. Make your own topic if you want to discuss something idiotic and different. It's a known fact that Pacquiao did not agree to the blood testing.

[JulVal]

Someone should seriously make a thread about that word.

By all definitions, random means the athlete WILL NOT know when the testing will take place.

Manny wants to know when the testing will take place and when it should stop.

That is absurd.

When did I say anything about that really now?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Someone should seriously make a thread about that word.

By all definitions, random means the athlete WILL NOT know when the testing will take place.

Manny wants to know when the testing will take place and when it should stop.

That is absurd.

lol,

you guys still haven't explained why that type of testing in necessary in the first place.

Still haven't said when such requirements became such an issue to you,

and still haven't provided any reason why you believe what an ex convict says.


That is what is absurd.

[MindBat]

You want to know why people are su****ious of Manny..

Here it is again:

Ariza: "I'm responsible. Manny has no idea what he takes."

Arum: "Manny is squeamish of needles."

Answer this: What athlete who has his reputation on the line , DOES NOT KNOW what supplements he puts into his own body?

So now you want to place blame on Manny's advisor when his own promoter who has known Manny for how long now? makes public statements that will raise eyebrows and questions?

I see. It's the Hot Potato game where the fingers are pointed at everyone but the main one responsible letting the whole drama get out of hand.