Pacquiao PEDs discussion.

[MindBat]

You want us to believe Manny gets weak after having blood drawn from his body days before the fight -- yet he is on camera bleeding profusely from cuts on his head DURING the fight?

Freddie doesn't even have the audacity to step forward and state that Manny doesn't get weak from blood coming out of his head when he fights?

There are more excuses floating around, but you know where they are.

[kadyo's]

... and the blame game continuous...

I see people trying to convince people to see their point of view, to no avail. I think that's human nature.

So the best way is not to argue cause it will lead to nowhere.

[F l i c k e r]

When did I say anything about that really now?

First of all... Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. Natural talent(speed, power etc.), yes. Technical ability(boxing 101), no. PEDs dont affect anything you mentioned BUT at the same time, Pacquiao has none of the things you mentioned, so it is irrelevant to Pacquiao. PEDs DO however, affect natural ability (speed, power, endurance) which Pacquiao has. So the PEDs in question effect Pacquiao greatly.


Oscar and Floyd? They haven't done anything on par to Pacquiao(Light FlyW < -- > WW). The equivalent would be... JR LW < -- > HW... KOing Vitali, Lennox, Holyfield etc. So don't bring that up anymore.

Also, dont compare Armstrong and Pacquiao. Your just regurgitating what announcers say when you do that. I don't even want to get into it, I can go into detail but I'm not. Why? Body types of then and now are different. Great Depression < -- > Booming Economy. No belief in cross training < -- > Belief in cross training. Don't bring that up anymore.

Pacquiao at 135 is irrelevant because those fights aren't in question.


You DO have a point with the dehydrated thing. I agree there. When Pacquiao KO'd Hatton, I posted a similar comment. He simply wasn't able to fill out his body back when he was at lower weights. He was poor then, and he is rich now. So he can eat everything he wants now. Which means he can pack on muscle. So I agree with you there on that point...


Crux of accusations:

If Pacquiao agrees to testing:

• Mayweather looks like a scared *****. Manny is never criticized about steroids.

Pacquiao REFUSES to be tested:

• Mayweather looks like a model citizen. Manny is criticized for steroids and everything that occurs if the fight doesn't happen.

Now I ask you... Which path did Pacquiao choose?

When you answer that. You will see why Pacquiao is being so heavily criticized.

[Don Mac]

No one knows what statements came from Manny's mouth and which were ghostwritten by Arum.

[MindBat]

No one knows what statements came from Manny's mouth and which were ghostwritten by Arum.

There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when.

[Toxic]

Crux of accusations:

If Pacquiao agrees to testing:

• Mayweather looks like a scared *****. Manny is never criticized about steroids.

Your point is good only for convincing children

Do you really think Mayweather jr and his fanatic fans like you will stop the accusation?

Can you give assurance that smear campaign will stop? after he did the test


and what if luckily Mayweather Jr. win

Do you think smear campaign will stop?

The answer is a big NO

Because he wants to rob Manny of his success

He is destroying Pac's reputation to uplift his

Nice try

[JulVal]

First of all... Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. Natural talent(speed, power etc.), yes. Technical ability(boxing 101), no. PEDs dont affect anything you mentioned BUT at the same time, Pacquiao has none of the things you mentioned, so it is irrelevant to Pacquiao. PEDs DO however, affect natural ability (speed, power, endurance) which Pacquiao has. So the PEDs in question effect Pacquiao greatly.

0 technical ability? Really now? Omg do you even know what you're talking about? Does speed, power and endurance alone wins you fight?

That alone made me lose respect on you. I'm sorry but you are way out of line by calling Pacquiao a 0 technical fighter.

If he was, he wouldn't know how to punch, he wouldn't be accurately punching and hitting his opponents, he wouldnt be able to read what his opponents would do, he wouldn't jab, he wouldn't have great movement, great timing. So really now? You're saying Pac won just because of speed and power against Legends? Against future HOFs? God you're ******.

You're clearly blinded by hate. True that when you compare Pacquiao side by side with Mayweather's technical boxing, you'd see far off results but it's not as far as you say it is. 0? Wow..

Just think about what you just said for a moment please and edit your post.

Oscar and Floyd? They haven't done anything on par to Pacquiao(Light FlyW < -- > WW). The equivalent would be... JR LW < -- > HW... KOing Vitali, Lennox, Holyfield etc. So don't bring that up anymore.

6 weight division for Oscar
5 weight division for Floyd
7 weight divisions for Pacquiao.

So once again, not so far off, and considering that Floyd also started at 106 as an amateur. Only difference is, Pacquiao never went through amateurs. Because if he did, he wouldn't be starting pro boxing at age 16 with 106 pounds.

You fail on this argument again.

Also, dont compare Armstrong and Pacquiao. Your just regurgitating what announcers say when you do that. I don't even want to get into it, I can go into detail but I'm not. Why? Body types of then and now are different. Great Depression < -- > Booming Economy. No belief in cross training < -- > Belief in cross training. Don't bring that up anymore.

I am comparing their achievements. I'm not comparing their skills, their body structure nor their boxing. I'm comparing their achievements and I'm telling people that what Pacquiao did is not as impossible as they think and something like it has been done before..

You argue just for the sake of arguing. 0 technical boxing? LW to Heavy weight? Please. Think before you post. Oh and by the way, I don't believe that any past champions, for any matter, had 0 TECHNICAL skills.

[JulVal]

There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when.

Again, you believe everything that was stated by the media. I never said any direct quote from Pacquiao when the negotions were on going. Most of the comments were stated by Koncz, or Arum. Pacquiao was never interviewed directly.

Heck I never heard Pacquiao say that he does not want to take the blood testing or anything for that matter. But that's a different topic. The topic here is: Is Pacquiao taking in PEDs? If you he is, what evidence do you have to lay out such heavy claim?

Just because he beats fighters whom you guys first called Washed up? Shot? Dehydrated? Cherry Picked? So why is Pacquiao so great now that he couldn't be doing the things he is doing without the help of PEDs.

First off, I though you guys didn't think that his wins against Cotto, Diaz, Hatton and Oscar were legit? So why say all these now? Weren't they Washed up? Shot? Dehydrated? Cherry Picked?

[-The Glove-]

Damn, I guess Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. He's the unanimous p4p currently and arguably the greatest boxer of our generation, yet he has NO technical ability, none! So pretty much all you're doing is ****t1ng on this sport you supposedly love. Because a guy with only "speed, power, etc" can climb the ranks and take out all of his greatly more technical counterparts. Wow!

[Don Mac]

There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when.

yes, I have read all the statements- It doesnt prove who wrote what
Stop being a smartass.