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i disagree with you both.
floyd doesn't believe pac is on something and its not to hype the fight. floyd is doing it because he's jealous and envious of pac's success and the accolades that pac is winning.
floyd can't match what pac does, so he has to bring pac down a peg by slandering and libeling pac. in other words floyd can't look good on his own merits, he has to tear down pac's to make himself look good.Comment
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sorry man, but this all sounds like a conspiracy theory the way you are putting it.
Bob arum wanted the upper had, pac is hiding something b/c originally agreed to testing then ask for the testing to be done in certain ways to flat out refusing the test and fight.
testing has nothign to do with hyping the fight. think about it. using your conspiracy, why would arum, pac and roach allow anyone to tarnish their cred. as well as manny and roachs achievements this badily just to hype of a fight? i mean, seriously?
testing isnt about hype. it comes down to the fact that rumors have been going around for years that pac was on something, combined with the way hes performed in his last string of fights and add in the fact that this guy just threw 1200+ punches with mustard on each shot, had a poor connect % of 20 and didnt tire is seriously a red flag.
not to mention, he has a head like barry bonds.
even holyfield said refusing the test is an admission of guilt. this even pertained to himselfComment
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Flour:what i do know is the fact that pac agreed to unlimited testing, i wasnt privy to what is PEDS and the testing b4 this debacle and since then ive enlightened myself some
i will make this claim of what ive read, there are 3 hormones in the body that are 1) natural- testesterone of which can be made to steroids,2) natural epo( counterpart is synethtic epo) and 3) natural human growth hormone or HGH( counterpart is synthetic hgh)all of this hormones can be synthesize( produce in the lab) and injected to enhance performance
b4 i continue ill make make one thing clear, there's no supposed drug test that can detect all drugs in the body.. when its UNKNOWN, usually the drug testers know what to test for when 1) there's a snitch by said athlete who used it and provided the sample of which the drug testing agency reverse engineer its unique chemical or signature in order to develop a test that can detect it when its injected 2) WADA and drug testing agencies on athletes use to do raids on athletes compound,camps, houses etc and they come across a drug theyve never and again they develop a test for it 3) there's a snitch by the manufacterer or some middle man.. watever and they come across a sample
(ILL PROVIDE LINKS LATER OTHERWISE I WOULDNT BE ANSWERING YOU RIGHT NOW)
having said that,i know this much--- all forms of steroids and there's gazillion varian produce to go undetected ---can be detected if they r known b4hand, same can be said for EPO testing.... using urinalysis,
this can also be said with the blood test when it deals with steroids,epo and HGH( WILL PROVIDE LINK LATER)
i do know this HGH cant be detected through urine, at least officially, however there's at least 3 scientific test done on HGH and the effects on athletes and they all have the stance that HGH decreases your stamina, all the studies support each other and they r done indepently of each other over the years by diffrent universities and labs( I WILL PROVIDE THE LINKS TO THEM LATER)
besides that there's PEDS like painkillers, masking agents( all urine test look for masking agents in case the known EPO, STEROID is hidden), dyuretics.. etc
all of this can be detected through urine alone( WILL PROVIDE LINK LATER)
now pac has already agreed to unlimited testing, this in itself will check for 99.999% of all known steroids,epo and said PEDS known to man and the other 0.001% that is not detected by urine, officially at least, is the HGH
pac is stamina freak that can be said much, using the facts we have establish by studies that say HGH makes you gas, why would you even want a blood test especially when it makes a fighter weak and the only thing that test for is HGH... does a stamina freak needs an HGH test when HGH makes u gas?
does that make sense?
doesn't make sense to me..
i dont see how pac is trying to cheat then.. now maybe if he didnt agree to unlimited urine testing then i would start to question pac but we know now BLOOD TESTING is not only redundant, it makes you weak
like i said ill provide links later but if you want be my guest at googling, you will find straight up truths
Unlimited isnt the issue. Randomization is.
TESTING MUST BE RANDOM! Besides its not like they will test as he's walking to the ring. THe subject not knowing when the test is coming eliminates the ability for those administering the PED's to time the cycle.
Bob trying to control when the testing occurs should make you concerened as a manny fan. Pac and Roach had no problem with RANDOM testing until Bob said otherwise. Doesn't that concern you at all?
Quality testing isn't about manny giving blood everyday between the signing of the contract and the fight. It's about the testers showing up at ANY time to test. This reduces the lielihood of cheating, which, reading your post(s) is what you feel is a reasonable demand.Last edited by The Big Dunn; 04-22-2010, 02:39 PM.Comment
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***ish solidarity.Comment
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and the testing was for both as well.Originally posted by Shaktivel
you *******s are so ******, you dont even realize when you are owning yourselves.
so sadComment
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My reasoning is I think Bob is the reason for all this BS. I think he is a piece of ****. I think he will risk anyone of his fighters lives (ie Margarito cotto, making cotto come down to 146 to make his biggest payday vs pac) to get more money.
And I think manny deserves the benefit of the doubt because he never tested positive. Innocent until proven guilty. Thats just how I roll.Comment
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