Someone please give me a rational explanation as to why Pacquiao does not want TESTIN

[ALG United]

Steroids, EPO, and HGH ARE NOT THE ONLY PED`S OUT THERE!!!! THERE ARE MANY OTHERS. Besides, HGH helps one in becoming strong hence increasing punching power. Yes, he agreed to random urine testing. But he did not agree to random blood testing. WHY! because he has a phobia lol! because he gets weak lol because he is letting pride come into the negotiations by saying who is Floyd to make these demands (i thought he was very humble and angelic). COME ON GUYS GIVE ME ONE RATIONAL ARGUMENT AS TO WHY HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO THE RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

I've given you enough already, anyway Manny already stated that he is willing to comply with the NSAC rules for random blood testing, in close coordination with USADA. But Roger Mayweather went against this by accusing NSAC of using fake doctors. So your question now should go, WHY FLOYD MAYWEATHER DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT MANNY PACQUIAO AND BECOME A LEGEND??

[FLYBOY]

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Can you give me a public research study that shows HGH makes you stronger. And which other PEDs that yoiu have talking about.

People would not understand why would someone refused 40 million but for someone that has a principle like PAC, refusing to give the Floyd's the satisfaction of treating him like a cheater was priceless.

1. The Benefits of HGH
* HGH promotes and increases the synthesis of new protein tissues, such as in muscle recovery or repair. This is the way new muscle is built.
* Recent research suggests its involvement in the metabolism of body-fat and its conversion to energy sources. Tests were conducted in obese people and medical use in treating obesity was proven beyond a doubt. Pro's have used GH as a way of maintaining and increasing lean mass while dieting for years.
* It improves the sleeping pattern, makes for less unintended awakenings and betters REM-stage sleep.
* HGH produces more energy
* It may improve sexual performance
* It builds stronger bones
* Improves the quality and duration of heart and kidneys
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathgh.htm
http://i-care.net/hgh-benefits.html#Energy

There are a lot of PED's. Google them yourselves.

2. What a man of principle. This is exactly the kind of leader the world needs. And what an amazing role model he is for everyone.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=341842

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So far, I have not read any rational explanation. They have all been ****** and silly explanations (needle phobia, weaking due to taking out blood, intrusive, etc.) These are all explanations that I have refuted and will refute here if you post them again.

So, PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH A RATIONAL EXPLANATION. Why does Manny Pacquiao want to leave doubts about his legacy by not taking the RANDOM blood testing?

i'll try to go as slow as i can so you can fully understand their stance.

pac and pbf's method of negotiations involve a series of mind games that may affect the outcome of the fight itself, similar in a sense to a poker match. you have to be firm enough if you're planning to win.

mayweather's team accusing pac of taking steroids/ped's/hgh/zoloft/extenze/nuvering/etc. and wanting pac to take additional drug tests can be compared to one poker player accusing another of cheating without solid proof and requesting a search for the certain individual.

now, if you are the said poker player being accused sure, you can accommodate that guy's demands and clean your name, but why would you when you don't really have to? the smarter thing to do is let the said player grasp for evidences and proofs that you are cheating, leave him guessing since this will affect him mentally... the more he believes that you are cheating and that he can't prove it, the better since he will start doubting his own judgement later on.

if and only if the said player gets enough proof to warrant a full body search should you agree to it and finally prove your innocence. why? because you do not want yourself, under any circumstance helping your opponent fight his own mental game.

[FLYBOY]

I've given you enough already, anyway Manny already stated that he is willing to comply with the NSAC rules for random blood testing, in close coordination with USADA. But Roger Mayweather went against this by accusing NSAC of using fake doctors. So your question now should go, WHY FLOYD MAYWEATHER DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT MANNY PACQUIAO AND BECOME A LEGEND??

show me the source for all of this. It's very untrue. Roger might have said that they use fake doctors, but no where did Manny agree to RANDOM blood testing. Show me.

[cherokee]

FLYBOT:

Go to this link, it might enlighten you a little bit...probably not but if you actually explore all over the net, there are hundreds of articles written about why pac does not have to do the testing that floyd is demanding:


http://www.************.com/2010/01/...iao-megafight/

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1. The Benefits of HGH
* HGH promotes and increases the synthesis of new protein tissues, such as in muscle recovery or repair. This is the way new muscle is built.
* Recent research suggests its involvement in the metabolism of body-fat and its conversion to energy sources. Tests were conducted in obese people and medical use in treating obesity was proven beyond a doubt. Pro's have used GH as a way of maintaining and increasing lean mass while dieting for years.
* It improves the sleeping pattern, makes for less unintended awakenings and betters REM-stage sleep.
* HGH produces more energy
* It may improve sexual performance
* It builds stronger bones
* Improves the quality and duration of heart and kidneys
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathgh.htm
http://i-care.net/hgh-benefits.html#Energy

There are a lot of PED's. Google them yourselves.

2. What a man of principle. This is exactly the kind of leader the world needs. And what an amazing role model he is for everyone.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=341842

You gave 2 internet sites that market and sell HGH. The same gimmick that they used to make people like you buy them. They simply put some facts (usual suspects are build muscle and anti-aging/ and miscontrued them to the end and add some wonderful words.
But where is that published research study that shows HGH increase athletic performance.

And where is that PEDs that is not detected in urine. You have been telling me but you can not offer me proof. That reminds me of someone.

[civicvx]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344666

[FLYBOY]

You gave 2 internet sites that market and sell HGH. The same gimmick that they used to make people like you buy them. They simply put some facts (usual suspects are build muscle and anti-aging/ and miscontrued them to the end and add some wonderful words.
But where is that published research study that shows HGH increase athletic performance.

And where is that PEDs that is not detected in urine. You have been telling me but you can not offer me proof. That reminds me of someone.

HGH obviously increases athletic perfomance. I have done courses in my university and I know what I am talking about. Athletes like Barry Bonds etc. are not ****** to spend 100's and 1000's of dollars on HGH. Google it yourself. Anyways,

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, disputed Arum’s contention and said a combination of blood and urine testing is required to be effective. He also said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subject to random testing while out of competition.

If any testing is conducted in the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight outside of what is mandated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

“To have an effective program, you have to collect blood and urine,” Tygart said. “The reason for that is that there are some things that are only detected in urine and there are some prohibited drugs that are both very lethal and potent from a performance-enhancing standpoint that are only detected in blood. One of those, for example, is human-growth hormone (HGH). There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone. It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Experts told Yahoo! Sports that the amount of blood the fighters would be required to give is minimal and would have no impact upon their performance.

Pacquiao is reticent to give blood within days of a fight because he believes it weakens him, his adviser, Michael Koncz, told Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday by telephone from Manila, The Philippines, where he has been meeting with Pacquiao.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-testing122309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[ALG United]

show me the source for all of this. It's very untrue. Roger might have said that they use fake doctors, but no where did Manny agree to RANDOM blood testing. Show me.

I got this from a local newspaper, the article was quite long so i got just a portion of that, just try to understand.. Just to add to this, it was the NSAC who forced Manny to get a blood test a day before the first Morales fight. So don't think that they will be biased in favor of Manny..

Negotiations for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight came to a halt after a request by Mayweather that Pacquiao submit to Olympic-style drug testing that would be administered by the United States
Anti-Doping Agency and which would include random blood and urine draws.

Pacquiao agreed to any testing requested by the Nevada Athletic
Commission, but balked at testing by any outside agency.

It’s unlikely that the two parties will resume negotiation with Pacquiao making good his threat at filing defamation lawsuit against Mayweather Jr., Mayweather Sr. and Golden Boy Promotions.

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HGH obviously increases athletic perfomance. I have done courses in my university and I know what I am talking about. Athletes like Barry Bonds etc. are not ****** to spend 100's and 1000's of dollars on HGH. Google it yourself. Anyways,

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, disputed Arum’s contention and said a combination of blood and urine testing is required to be effective. He also said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subject to random testing while out of competition.

If any testing is conducted in the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight outside of what is mandated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

“To have an effective program, you have to collect blood and urine,” Tygart said. “The reason for that is that there are some things that are only detected in urine and there are some prohibited drugs that are both very lethal and potent from a performance-enhancing standpoint that are only detected in blood. One of those, for example, is human-growth hormone (HGH). There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone. It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Experts told Yahoo! Sports that the amount of blood the fighters would be required to give is minimal and would have no impact upon their performance.

Pacquiao is reticent to give blood within days of a fight because he believes it weakens him, his adviser, Michael Koncz, told Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday by telephone from Manila, The Philippines, where he has been meeting with Pacquiao.


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/box/news?...yhoo&type=lgns

But where is that published research study that shows HGH enhance athletic performance. You mention me how you know these things but you can't offer proof.

I can Tygart's point about blood test but Pac is willing to that 3 times, one is right after the fight.

However Tygart is right, the most effective testing is year round, not when they are in competition but when athletes least expected it.