Where Is All The Muscle That Pacquiao Supposedly Packed On?

[USADA]

This isn't really the best post on boxingscene. It's actually common knowledge for anyone that follows his fights, or even just pays attention to any fighters weights. It isn't unusual to see someone gain 10-15 pounds the day after the weigh in.

Exactly, it's rather standard.

What's not common, is that "stuff" Ariza gives Pacquiao. I wonder what's in it? Nobody knows but Ariza...

[VERSION1 (V1)]

Ofcourse if youre cheating its a cancer, but in my mind when you disrespect the sport by not making weight, by continually contradicing yourself, continually avoiding the tough challeneges that fans want to see, constantly flash your money around, say things like the sport is dead without you and legacy dont pay bills etc etc etc thats just as much a cancer imo. Gives boxing a bad rep and its a bad example for fighters on the come up.

i agree with you somewhat i think it give the fighter a bed rep not boxing imo

[Maidana vs Rios]

Pacquiao had a lower KO percentage from flyweight to super featherweight, and he struggled with much smaller men. Now, he only gains 5lbs and suddenly he's able to walk through Cotto without regard to his power.

That must be some good stuff Ariza gives him!

I don't think so.






from http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-4...weight-classes

The conclusion you can draw from these charts is that on average, Pac has had more difficulty, not less, in KO'ing his opponents as he has moved up in weight.

[USADA]

Cotto was a beast at 140. He drained his body at 140 to get an advantage, just like Pacquiao against all those little featherweights. Just like Pacquiao, Cotto struggled with them. Pacquiao was rocked by featherweights such as Larios, and Cotto was rocked by guys like Torres and Corley.

As Cotto went up to 147, he looked fresher a little, but he didn't look like the same beast against Margarito, Mosley, or Clottey, now did he?

Pacquiao went up to 147 and suddenly looks all around stronger and more relentless than he did against the little guys. Something isn't right about that, and I'm sure it has something to do with Ariza's "Stuff".

According to Chups logic, a guy like Cotto who can make 145, but come in at 160, should be stronger and even more of a beast as he moves up closer to his "natural" weight... Makes absolutely no sense at all and goes against the history of Boxing if you compare their KO percentages as they moved up in weight. Boxers make weight for a reason!

[rao007]

O.k. I was asking questions hypothetically; I know enough about losing and gaining weight naturally to know when something does not seem right. First, let's get this out of the way: George St. Pierre walks around at 185, not 200. See link http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Transcrip...Interview.html.

Now, Pacquiao at 144 is already in state of dehydration. We know this because for the Cotto fight he weighed, fight night, 149-150. And we all know that a fully hydrated individual does not put on 5-6 pounds with just food. Let's also start by noting that 5-6% body fat is about as good as it is going to get for a natural man. This is also a body fat level for which one must train and diet. There is no such thing as being born with genetics that allow you to stay at 6% body fat all the time. We also know that the closer you get to this number, the more difficult it becomes to achieve more body fat loss. You seem well versed in biology and physiology, so I don't have to tell you that.

Pacquiao weighs naturally 150 pounds at 8% (12 pounds of total fat) body fat. He starts to diet and train to make 129. In the weeks approaching the fight, he trains and diets hard to lose 5 pounds of fat; unfortunately, he loses 3 pounds of muscle in the meantime (muscle catabolism -wasting, it sucks, but it happens). He now weighs 142 with 5% body fat, extremely ripped and hard. He has already lost significant amount of water, but he's not done, he's going to lose an additional 13 pounds of water (9% of total bodyweight at this point) the last week before the fight. He does so successfully, but not before stopping by the hospital....

Come on! Not even you believe that is possible.

The trip down from 140 is not that difficult and is what most people would expect. Pacquiao out of shape at 150, loses 10-12 pounds of fat, water, and some muscle, and then loses the additional water weight to make 130, looking rock solid. It is a journey of 20 total pounds, but starting from 150 and out of shape. It makes sense. So...where did those extra 10 pounds of lean mass come from? That is what has everybody in a frenzy my friend.

How did Cotto do it? When he fought at JWW---he dehydrated from 160~ to 140.

And I laugh at what you call "rock solid":

[USADA]

How did Cotto do it? When he fought at JWW---he dehydrated from 160~ to 140.

And I laugh at what you call "rock solid":

Was that picture taken before or after Pacquiao started to take Ariza's secret "stuff" ?

[rao007]

Cotto was a beast at 140. He drained his body at 140 to get an advantage, just like Pacquiao against all those little featherweights. Just like Pacquiao, Cotto struggled with them. Pacquiao was rocked by featherweights such as Larios, and Cotto was rocked by guys like Torres and Corley.

As Cotto went up to 147, he looked fresher a little, but he didn't look like the same beast against Margarito, Mosley, or Clottey, now did he?

Pacquiao went up to 147 and suddenly looks all around stronger and more relentless than he did against the little guys. Something isn't right about that, and I'm sure it has something to do with Ariza's "Stuff".

According to Chups logic, a guy like Cotto who can make 145, but come in at 160, should be stronger and even more of a beast as he moves up closer to his "natural" weight... Makes absolutely no sense at all and goes against the history of Boxing if you compare their KO percentages as they moved up in weight. Boxers make weight for a reason!

Is this all in your mind? Pacquiao has always been relentless in almost every single fight he's been in. Have you seen Marquez/Pacquiao 1?

[rao007]

Was that picture taken before or after Pacquiao started to take Ariza's secret "stuff" ?

Pacquiao/Marquez 2 rematch.

Ariza was not the conditioning coach at the time---it was Justine Fortune.

[Maidana vs Rios]

I don't think so.






from http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-4...weight-classes

The conclusion you can draw from these charts is that on average, Pac has had more difficulty, not less, in KO'ing his opponents as he has moved up in weight.

Nobody's responding, so let me try.

Hmm....fake. Photoshopped!

[Manuel6]

How did Cotto do it? When he fought at JWW---he dehydrated from 160~ to 140.

And I laugh at what you call "rock solid":

20 pounds is doable. Read the post. It's 30 pounds that I scoff at. Let Cotto step on a scale at 160, and we'll see if he looks like Cotto at 147- not a chance in hell. Like Marquez at 142, Trinidad and De La Hoya @ 160+, etc. They all look heavier and chubbier period. This is the natural order of things for athletes that don't predominantly train to gain muscle mass, which boxers don't. You go up significantly in weight from the weight at which you looked lean, and you stop looking very lean. This is actually quiet simple.