You Guys Have To Admit That This Isnt Right

[aether]

i'll bite, since you guys seems to be enjoying patting each other's back.

my position on this issue never changed. i see the proposal of the olympic style, never-been-used-before method of testing as an accusation of him cheating. a smear in all his achievements. him agreeing to be tested in a manner other than the current standard is more than enough in my opinion. he should have never been subjected to such tests in the first place.

i don't assume that he is guilty and needs to be proven innocent, like you guys.

btw, if you give a hamster PED's, it still won't be able to take down a lion. just sayin.

[DLT]

i'll bite, since you guys seems to be enjoying patting each other's back.

my position on this issue never changed. i see the proposal of the olympic style, never-been-used-before method of testing as an accusation of him cheating. a smear in all his achievements. him agreeing to be tested in a manner other than the current standard is more than enough in my opinion. he should have never been subjected to such tests in the first place.

i don't assume that he is guilty and needs to be proven innocent, like you guys.

btw, if you give a hamster PED's, it still won't be able to take down a lion. just sayin.

but the question is, what if he is? Honestly, what if he is juicing? You most likely will never ever find out unless you do this. Again, people are looking at it wrong. You should look at it like Floyd is just saying that we both should take these test. Its not like its soely on Pac. They are both doing it

[Ray*]

i'll bite, since you guys seems to be enjoying patting each other's back.

my position on this issue never changed. i see the proposal of the olympic style, never-been-used-before method of testing as an accusation of him cheating. a smear in all his achievements. him agreeing to be tested in a manner other than the current standard is more than enough in my opinion. he should have never been subjected to such tests in the first place.

i don't assume that he is guilty and needs to be proven innocent, like you guys.

btw, if you give a hamster PED's, it still won't be able to take down a lion. just sayin.

It doesnt matter if its never been use before, They all start from somewhere and if it takes the biggest fight of our era to bring to light the need for better test then so be it. Am not oppose to change and anything that would move us forward is all good for me.

[WhoreUs]

A ton of Pac fans and even myself were convinced that the blood testing was ok, just not the day of the fight. We thought maybe 48hrs were ok, 3 days were ok, 5 days, or maybe even a week. Random was ok, just as long as it wasnt the day of the fight. Now the **** is pretty official that despite what some try to say in the media, there stance is 30 days out and non random. They want to test right after the New Year, then wait over a whole month and test again on Feb 13th, and then wait all the way until after the fight. Come on now. Lets say that Pac was juicing. Does he have any chance to fail the test with those dates I just mentioned? Hell NO! 3 test, only 2 before the fight, both over a month apart, and both times he knows exactly when the date is.

Alot of Pac people argued the whole time that if it was like that then it basically would be bad but its not like that. They argued that it was random and that they would allow it a few days or a week before. Now you see its not true. Even with that the Floyd side has given in and they are willing to change some things but they want it random and they dont want all these 30plus day windows. It defeats the whole purpose. Im sure you guys will defend it like it doesnt matter though. I was on Pac's side in some of this but its because I thought they would agree to random and maybe Floyd should accept like 3 days to a week out. Thats not the case though. Whats even more messed up is instead of negotating, it was Arum who immediatly said the fight was off and they are going to do something else. Floyd's team never said they are moving on.

Arum said that if another group does it besides the USADA then they will take it but Floyd's camp dont want that so they are moving on. Then Schaffer came back saying, thats cool and they will use a different source but they just want it to be random and closer than those 30 day splits. Arum is now like, **** it. Were not doing it anymore no matter what. That **** dont sound iffy to you? Again, one of the #1 responses from Pac fans and even some Floyd fans were like, how come Floyd's team wont accept it if they are doing it like a week before and immediatly after. It should be in his system. Now we find out that it was never there real stance. There stance is 30 days out and after the fight. Even the most die hard Pac fans know that he could juice and still easily pass a test in that situation.

That **** looks fishy to me now and there is no way you can put this on Floyd's side. Arum aint even willing to talk. You have alot of Pac fans saying thats good what Arum is doing and that Pac should stick with the lawsuit. What kind of coward talk is that? All of us want to see the fight. I myself took up for Pac when I thought it was random and within a week but 30 days and non random? Come on man. Then over 30 days from the 1st test to the 2nd test also. No one is even talking about that one but you can do alot in that time also. All the Pac fans whole stance was that Pac will do it, just not the day of the fight. Thats what they all say but its not true. They want 30 days.

That **** aint right. Then they want to drop it to fight Paulie or Foreman? There so in a rush to do that? I just hope they come to there senses and come back to this fight. The thing thats so crazy is that they knew ahead of time. Everyone knew what Senior wanted and the Pac side said it was ok. Now they are tripping like they didnt know. If Arum was this upset then why did he even take the contract to Pac and go this far with it from the jump? Something changed and now they dont want it. Then they want to fight Paulie of all people. The same guy who accused them more than anyone and publicly. How does that sound?

[chito]

but the question is, what if he is? Honestly, what if he is juicing? You most likely will never ever find out unless you do this. Again, people are looking at it wrong. You should look at it like Floyd is just saying that we both should take these test. Its not like its soely on Pac. They are both doing it

how accurate is USADA testing if i may ask?

[aether]

but the question is, what if he is? Honestly, what if he is juicing? You most likely will never ever find out unless you do this. Again, people are looking at it wrong. You should look at it like Floyd is just saying that we both should take these test. Its not like its soely on Pac. They are both doing it

that shouldn't be even the question in the first place. no evidence of him being nothing but clean.

yet to you, he must prove something. it isn't about the extra tests. its about how the issue is affecting his name. no matter how you slice it, floyd's camp had no right to make him take the additional tests and manny is not obligated to comply with such terms.

he has every right to reject it.

if he was juicing, and you are right, then too fucking bad. innocent till proven guilty, burden of proof in on his accusers.

[Adamantium]

Manny Pacquiao official statement:
These are my specifications for this fight regarding blood testing. I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the Announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have Offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room . I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone

http://pacman.craveonline.com/articles/news/37758-official-statement-made-by-manny-pacquiao-12-26-2009

[aether]

It doesnt matter if its never been use before, They all start from somewhere and if it takes the biggest fight of our era to bring to light the need for better test then so be it. Am not oppose to change and anything that would move us forward is all good for me.

the reason why the tests is even being considered is because of floyd sr.'s baseless accusations, not because of floyd's desire to make the sport cleaner.

again, manny has every right to reject the additional stipulations.

[IMDAZED]

i'll bite, since you guys seems to be enjoying patting each other's back.

my position on this issue never changed. i see the proposal of the olympic style, never-been-used-before method of testing as an accusation of him cheating. a smear in all his achievements. him agreeing to be tested in a manner other than the current standard is more than enough in my opinion. he should have never been subjected to such tests in the first place.

i don't assume that he is guilty and needs to be proven innocent, like you guys.

btw, if you give a hamster PED's, it still won't be able to take down a lion. just sayin.

That's a reasonable response. So tell us, if the proposal was an accusation of Pacquiao cheating, why did his team agree to it in the first place?

[apokalips]

There is always a way to bypass these tests just like hackers etc always find a way around software and stuff, BUT after reading the article by the BALCO guy I see why this sort of testing is necessary in boxing and honestly see no reason why it should not happen for this fight.

I don't care if it has never been done before, that is a weak excuse Mayweather and Pacquiao are in a position to set a precedent and should be setting an example for the boxing world by ushering in a new era of safety precautions. Why not just give the world the piece of mind, TBH they could just not do the tests and the rumours of steroid use intensifies. Why not just take the test and pass it then put those doubts out of peoples minds?