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  • Calilloyd
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    #61
    Originally posted by Carnivore
    Perhaps, but if Gene Tunney and Joe Louis and others were willing to fight for their country, why not Ali?

    Back in those days, there was prejudice against blacks in parts of the US, but Cassius Clay's family was not badly treated and had a comfortable middle-class income (let's not forget, he had white relatives as well as black).

    America chose Cassius Clay to represent the US in the Olympics. The media was always very good to him and gave him a great deal of attention - he was a household name even before he fought Liston.
    What a joke LOL. If Ali did have white relatives they weren't claiming him. You act as if he shared holidays and birtdays with these so called "wehite relatives". Your statements show how ignorant you are about not only the plight of African Americans in the 60's, but the Olympic boxing standards as well. America "chose" Ali for the Olympic team? You're just miserable Canandian racist trying to re-write history of country you don't live in and know nothing about.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Calilloyd
      What a joke LOL. If Ali did have white relatives they weren't claiming him. You act as if he shared holidays and birtdays with these so called "wehite relatives". Your statements show how ignorant you are about not only the plight of African Americans in the 60's, but the Olympic boxing standards as well. America "chose" Ali for the Olympic team?
      You are SUCH a crybaby, Calilloyd.



      Growing up in such a rich country as the USA with so many opportunities, you don't understand what hardship really is. A black man in America can become president, but in other parts of the world people of all races have to struggle just to survive.

      My grandparents had nothing and didn't even speak English when they arrived here from the USSR, but they worked hard and eventually prospered.
      Last edited by The Hammer; 12-26-2009, 06:28 PM.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Carnivore
        You are SUCH a crybaby, Calilloyd.



        Growing up in such a rich country as the USA with so many opportunities, you don't understand what hardship really is. A black man in America can become president, but in other parts of the world people of all races have to struggle just to survive.

        My grandparents had nothing and didn't even speak English when they arrived here from the USSR, but they worked hard and eventually prospered.
        Carni, if they were black and moved to Kentucky they'd have been out luck...I dont know if u fully understand what restrictions were put on southern blacks in the USA when Ali was growing up...

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          #64
          Originally posted by Carnivore
          You are SUCH a crybaby, Calilloyd.



          Growing up in such a rich country as the USA with so many opportunities, you don't understand what hardship really is. A black man in America can become president, but in other parts of the world people of all races have to struggle just to survive.

          My grandparents had nothing and didn't even speak English when they arrived here from the USSR, but they worked hard and eventually prospered.




          You are so ignorant it's funny lol. Comparing your white grandparents plight in the US to blacks in the 60's. What a fool lol

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            #65
            Also, for the record, you bringing up Joe Louis of all people...do you not know what became of him and his relationship with the U.S. Govt. in regard to their military, I assume??? You should look it up sometime...after all he did, despite who he was, they screwed him over BIG TIME and stayed on him right up until he died...the government and the military, he did for them and they turned around and INSANELY screwed him over...for me that is a huge black mark on them and if that is indicative of how much they appreciate the service of men, then, well, don't bother signing me up, thanks...

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              #66
              Originally posted by Carnivore
              I think Muhammed Ali was mainly afraid of being killed.

              And of course he was unpatriotic, he had no respect or regard for his country that had been so good to him.
              You are such a joke. The country that had been so good to him what, the country that wouldn't even let men of his skin colour sit in restraunts, buses, etc The country that let off men who brutally butchered a boy of Ali's colour?

              Ali was taking a stand, why should he be forced to fight men who had done nothing to him? Like he said "they never called me ******"

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                #67
                Originally posted by Calilloyd
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                You are so ignorant it's funny lol. Comparing your white grandparents plight in the US to blacks in the 60's. What a fool lol
                His grand-parents would have been greeted with racism. there is a strong hatred for communism and the soviet even now. they couldn't speak english and were from the ussr. they would have had it tough.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Carnivore
                  Perhaps, but if Gene Tunney and Joe Louis and others were willing to fight for their country, why not Ali?

                  Back in those days, there was prejudice against blacks in parts of the US, but Cassius Clay's family was not badly treated and had a comfortable middle-class income (let's not forget, he had white relatives as well as black).

                  America chose Cassius Clay to represent the US in the Olympics. The media was always very good to him and gave him a great deal of attention - he was a household name even before he fought Liston.
                  He had to make that team moron, by beating other fighters in that division. Shows how little you know about boxing as well as everything else.

                  "The media was always very good to him" I'm not even going to bother attacking that statement.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Calilloyd
                    You are so ignorant it's funny lol. Comparing your white grandparents plight in the US to blacks in the 60's. What a fool lol
                    You are the ignorant one. My grandparents were enslaved by communism.

                    Life was MUCH BETTER for blacks in the US in the 30s and 40s than it was for most people under communism in the Soviet Union (including my grandparents).

                    Read this:



                    and this:



                    "In the winter of 1932-1933 millions starved to death in a famine in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. The famine had become interregional by the winter of 1933. In September of 1940 Stalin personally mentioned that about 25-30 million people starved in Ukraine, the Northern Caucasus, the Volga region, Kazakhstan, Tavriya and southern regions of the Central provinces of Russia, in some regions of the Far East and the Urals in spring-summer of 1933."

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                      #70
                      And if a communist came here and was spit on, forced to eat out back with the dogs, etc etc...I wouldnt expect him to defend this country, either...

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